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[Puzzlemaker]

HOW DO YOU KILL THEM.

I tried being a crossbowmen, or a hammerer, or whatever, but they WONT DIE.  Its ridiculous.  I turn around the corner, see a big white S, think oh crap, but its too late, I am webbed, venomed or whatever, and INSTADEATH.

I had 5 drunks with me, and they all died.  Its just... AUGH.  SO EVIL.  They should be rarer at least!

[Fenrir]

Welcome to Adventure Mode!

Players have been slaughtered by and complained about giant cave spiders for as long as anyone can remember.

[ February 04, 2008: Message edited by: Fenrir ]

[apache1990]

1. Become a 5x legendary thrower
2. Find a masterpiece (or artifact!) adamantine ballista bolt
3. Throw it at the spider
4. Get killed by another as you go to pick up the ballista bolt from its dead corpse

[Cthulhu]

I've found that I do best against them as a Swordsman, but then again, I rarely do anything but swordsman.  Giant Spiders are currently(I believe) the most powerful monsters in the game, and if you don't have a team of real warriors(not drunks) I'd advise not getting into fights with them.  Even with a good team it's mostly a  coin toss, and any lapses in pwnage on your team's part result in a TPK.

[Helmaroc]

Yeah, if you see one and manage to kill it/get away, DO NOT go back that way. They often live in groups of 2-4, in my experience.

[Fenrir]

These are some of the fastest replies I've ever seen. Clearly the DF community has a strong fear and hatred for these beasts.

[Puzzlemaker]

I don't TRY to get into fights with them!

Sneak Sneak Sneak

*walk around corner*
YOU HAVE BEEN SPOTTED
YOU HAVE BEEN WEBBED
YOU HAVE BEEN POISONED
YOU HAVE BEEN SKINNED
YOU HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED
YOU HAVE BEEN EXCRETED UPON
YOU HAVE BEEN KILLED

[ February 04, 2008: Message edited by: Puzzlemaker ]

[Wooty]

DF Folder ---> Raw ----> Objects ----> Creature_subterranean.txt ----> scroll to about halway, to spider_giant_cave. Replace

code:

[CREATURE:SPIDER_CAVE_GIANT]
   [NAME:giant cave spider:giant cave spiders:giant cave spider]
   [TILE:'S'][COLOR:7:0:0]
   [MODVALUE:10]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:20][DIFFICULTY:3]
   [EXTRACT:giant cave spider venom:7:0:0]
   [EXTRACT_VALUE:100]
   [EXTRACT_PARALYZE][NATURAL][PET_EXOTIC]
   [EXTRACT_ANTIDOTE:giant cave spider antivenin:7:0:0:100]
   [WEBBER][THICKWEB][WEBIMMUNE][AMBUSHPREDATOR][PARALYZEIMMUNE]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [GENPOWER:4]
   [BLOODTYPE:W][CHITIN]
   [PETVALUE:2500]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:10]
   [CARNIVORE]
   [NOPAIN][EXTRAVISION][NOSTUN][NOEMOTION][NOSKULL][NOBONES]
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:1]
   [NOFEAR]
   [PREFSTRING:mystery]
   [BODY:SPIDER:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH]
   [SIZE:10]
   [MAXAGE:20:30]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH][SPECIALATTACK_INJECT_EXTRACT:50:100]
   [FAT:1]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
   [BIOME_SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10040]
   [STANDARD_FLESH] [CODE]
With
[CODE][CREATURE:SPIDER_CAVE_GIANT]
   [NAME:giant cave spider:giant cave spiders:giant cave spider]
   [TILE:'S'][COLOR:7:0:0]
   [MODVALUE:10]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:20][DIFFICULTY:3]
   [EXTRACT:giant cave spider venom:7:0:0]
   [EXTRACT_VALUE:100]
   [EXTRACT_PARALYZE][NATURAL][PET_EXOTIC]
   [EXTRACT_ANTIDOTE:giant cave spider antivenin:7:0:0:100]
   [AMBUSHPREDATOR]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [GENPOWER:4]
   [BLOODTYPE:W][CHITIN]
   [PETVALUE:2500]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:10]
   [CARNIVORE]
   [NOEMOTION][NOSKULL][NOBONES]
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:1]
   [PREFSTRING:mystery]
   [BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
        [SIZE:10]
   [MAXAGE:20:30]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:3:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH][SPECIALATTACK_INJECT_EXTRACT:50:100]
   [FAT:1]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
   [BIOME_SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10040]
   [STANDARD_FLESH] 

Bear in mind that this takes any fun out of killing a cave spider, and is almost as bad as ALLWEAPONS on doom 3. Even I, who cheats for free adamantie and incinerates goblins with a utility does not use this.

[Slappy Moose]

While I have only had 2 encounters with a giant cave spider, the first encounter ripped out both of my eyes then decided to tear off my legs and kill my 5 group members while I was uselessly chopping it to pieces.

The second time, as soon as I saw the giant S ABOVE FUCKING GROUND I threw my axe at it and ran, watching as it ate my entire group who foolishly charged it.

[Kagus]

I was playing as a demon mage, and had enough raw toughness that the spiders had a hard time killing me (there were demon chunks everywhere, though), even while webbed and paralyzed.

And so I thought; "Heh heh heh, can't get me now, can ya you blighter?".

Giant cave spiders are not only deadly, common, and fiercely aggressive.  They are also highly intelligent.

Goddamn spider strangled me to death.  With one leg.

[Squeegy]

I almost NEVER meet GCS's.

Hmm. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

[Whiskey_Ninja]

I must just have the worst luck in the world.

I am an avid Fortress Mode player. It's what I do. It's my thing.

I wanted to test the mettle of this new release, so I started practicing Adventurer Mode last night.

It started slow. At first, I couldn't even find the caves, and I was demoralized, but I finally found one, looked around a bit, and was promptly ripped apart by a surprise Giant Cave Spider.

Ok, ok. That's fine. Losing is fun.

I start another Adventurer, different town, (away from any nasty Haunted locales) get a horde of drunks, and go marching into another cave, to kill an ettin.
Hey, this is pretty fun. My posse and I are mauling Kobold Children, Troglodytes, Naked Mole Dogs. I personally face down an Iron Man, and Hammer his sweet little head off, then take his corpse. I repeat this process twice. I'm feeling pretty badass.
Then, I start seeing the telltale messages: "The GCS spits out the Drunk's left leg!"
I try to Travel. Enemies near.
"The GCS rams into the Drunk! The Drunk hits an obstacle and explodes in gore!"
Walkwalkwalkwebbedsplatsplatdie.

Haha! Good times! They really got me there.

Let me just start another adventurer, horde-o-drunks, quest, cave.

Heh! What raw luck! There's a GSC outside of this one. Yep. Dead.

New Adventurer. Well, maybe I'll just look around outside of town. You have to be kidding me. A flock of GSC's hanging out in a chasm. Dead.

This goes on for a while...

And so I go to the forums, and find myself a bit comforted that it is a common plight.

My only thing is, I'm a 'feel' based player. I really like playing Vanilla, I don't like mods. It's not an elitist thing; I just feel like playing the package as its delivered is a more enjoyable experience for me.

So I understand that I can apparently spam rocks until I am a veritable god of the thrown object, but I want to put in my two cents, that I hope that GSCs aren't necessarily tempered, but that something like tracking, or trapping is implemented to make them more tolerable.

I'm sure when Toady gets around to magic, they'll be a cinch, and I'm willing to wait for that.

[Ralje]

There's plenty of ways to balance GKB's, so that a reasonably armed adventure stands a chance. Try giving them [GLOWTILE:*], so you don't wander into them so often, or [SPEED:1500] for reduced speed.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Ah yes, I started up a new Swordsman for the new version and entered a cave in search of a minotaur.  I popped around a corner and saw a giant S and thought "Oh shit I'm dead!  Oh well, might as well attack."

You hack at The giant cave spider in the left third leg with your Iron short sword!
It is badly gashed!
The giant cave spider charges at You!
The giant cave spider strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
The giant cave spider collides with You!
You are knocked over!
The giant cave spider strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You hack at The giant cave spider in the cephalothorax with your Iron short sword!
It is badly gashed!
The giant cave spider's right eye has been slashed out!
The giant cave spider strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You stand up.
The giant cave spider charges at You!
The giant cave spider strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
The giant cave spider collides with You!
You tangle together and fall over!
You are no longer stunned.
You stand up.
The giant cave spider attacks You but You jump away!
You hack at The giant cave spider in the cephalothorax with your Iron short sword!
It is broken!
You hack at The giant cave spider in the cephalothorax with your Iron short sword!
It is split in half from the crown to the chin!
The giant cave spider is propelled away by the force of the blow!
The giant cave spider has been struck down.

Holy crap!  What the hell!?  Ok, time to get out of here!

I walked back down the hall to leave and... Another right in front of me...

You hack at The giant cave spider in the right first leg with your Iron short sword!
It is badly gashed!
The Iron short sword has lodged firmly in the wound!
The giant cave spider charges at You!
The giant cave spider strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
The giant cave spider collides with You!
You are knocked over!
The giant cave spider bites You in the upper body!
The shot glances away.
The giant cave spider bites You in the left upper leg!
It is badly ripped!
You feel numb!
The giant cave spider latches on firmly!
You are feeling sluggish!
The giant cave spider shoots out thick strands of webbing!
You are caught up in the web!
You are no longer stunned.
The giant cave spider shakes You around by the left upper leg!
A chunk is torn away!
The giant cave spider bites You in the right hand!
The shot glances away.
You are partially free of the web.
You are completely free of the web.
The giant cave spider spits out the human Chunk.
The giant cave spider strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You twist the embedded Iron short sword around in The giant cave spider's right first leg!
You are partially paralyzed!
The giant cave spider bites You in the upper body!
It is badly ripped!
Your right lung has been pierced!
You feel even more numb!
The giant cave spider latches on firmly!
The giant cave spider shakes You around by the upper body!
It is mangled!
You twist the embedded Iron short sword around in The giant cave spider's right first leg!
The giant cave spider shakes You around by the upper body!
A chunk is torn away!
You have been struck down.
The giant cave spider pulls out and drops the Iron short sword.
The giant cave spider spits out the human Chunk.

[Fenrir]

Is it true that giant cave spiders are weaker in the new version?

I was playing as a goblin and wandering in a frozen tundra when I got ambushed. This was the first time I had been ambushed in this particular biome, so I nearly crapped myself when I saw this big white 'S' standing next to my drunken friend. The drunk grabbed it in the nose, and when I saw the messages, I thought to myself "Oh thank Armok, it's just a sasquatch." Then I smashed the thing to pieces for scaring me like that.