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[FallacyofUrist]

Flint struck steel, and with a cherished spark, the lantern illuminating the common area became live once more.

A quick headcount revealed eight players. Five of them had executed NJW2000 the previous Day, and now they were stained with guilt.

Surely though, the dead would remain dead. There was nothing for it but to continue on, and hope that the threat lurking in the dark could be defeated.

All you weary survivors have is that hope.

webadict (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
Roden (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
ToonyMan (0):
Magma Mater (0):
Toaster (0):

No Execution (0):
Not Voting (8): webadict, EuchreJack, Maximum Spin, Roden, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, Magma Mater, Toaster
5 to hammer.

Day 2 has begun, and will end Sunday, 2 AM, Central time, approximately 48 hours from now.

[Roden]

Toaster, what exactly are you?

[ToonyMan]

PFP

I gave an item to Jack, please confirm but don't say what it is though.

[webadict]

I got 3 on Jack. I assume Jack actioned, so who's the last one?

[Toaster]

Good morning Maximum Spin.  Care to explain why there was no kill last night?


Roden:

Toaster, what exactly are you?

I'm going to assume you got Null as expected.


Soooo I totally missed how short days are in this game.  That's totally on me and I apologize.  I was typing out a post when the hammer fell.  I kept it, so consider this my archived D1 thoughts.

Spoiler: Toaster's D1 Post that Never Was (click to show/hide)

I keep thinking "I need to read this" and then immediately distracting myself.  My focus is pretty damn low right now.

Magma:

This is going to be one of those weird games. Anyway, I'm a miller.

Interesting.  I am a... Null Miller, I guess?  Investigations on me simply don't work; you get a null result.  I think that extends past simple cop results.

You guess? Your role name should be pretty clear. This wording is suspicious, specifically because if you're mafia then I believe your real role name would be Null Godfather.

Webadict:

@Toaster: I don't really buy there being two Millers in a game, why should I believe you?

Honestly?  Don't much care if you do.  I policy-claim Miller in the first post of any game I am one in, and this is... close enough to miller.  The word "miller" isn't involved in the role and I'm not sure Miller is even the right way to describe it; probably not.  In any case, investigative role actions on me are going to be wasted.

Don't you think free day passes are a bit much to hand out at the beginning of a nine player game?  Sure, if there were 15 I can greatly appreciate wanting to pare down the choices, but it's not THAT many right now.

In that case, which word is involved in the role?

It's "Investigative Null" for that part of the role name, specifically.  I claimed it because it's Miller-like.



Maximum Spin:

Magma Mater, I can't believe you just deployed a reaction gif

I eagerly await seeing what you do with this vote.  Hopefully you'll be done by the time I finish catching up.


EuchreJack:

Only one per night though.

@Toaster: Would my Neighborizer work on you?

Yes.  I checked with Fallacy and it affects all types of investigations.  Other actions work normally on me.

Lynch the unreadable Toaster then.
Since probably either NJW or Toaster is scum, and I'll bet on Toaster as the liar.  Or maybe I'm being played by Toonyman.
Give me two options with my logic, and point at one so that I'll go with the other?

Still, I think Toaster is the scum because:
1) NJW plainly stated that he was a Miller.  This drew suspicion as it could be a mafia gambit, but is the Townie thing to do if true.
Besides, isn't Good Mafia play to AVOID suspicion?
2) Toaster sorta fumbled with his claim.  Like he didn't want to say too much about it.  I'm still waiting for an answer to my question as to whether or not my Neighborizer would work on them.

Why can't they both be true?  75% Cop isn't particularly reliable.  Miller screws with it.  Null screws with it.  If there aren't any other investigative roles, they all three are basically useless for each of us.

How did I fumble my claim?


OH GOD THESE DAYS ARE SHORT TOASTER READ THE SETUP


Okay I just read ahead a bit and saw the hammer.  Gonna be honest, I don't feel like analyzing this pre-day when I can just wait and see the results of the vote before I commit.  That said did Maximum ever do anything with his vote?  Nope!  This is an okay post but there's no action or follow up at all.

Quick gut read list without much detail, prior to flip:

NJW2000:  Hammered, guess we'll see

Toaster:  Obvtown
webadict:  Hard to read on a good day and this isn't a good day for him, but I'm leaning a bit town.

EuchreJack:  Somewhere in the middle
Roden:  Don't have a read, should probably get one
Magma Mater:  See above
Jim Groovester:  Have a read, but it's currently nil

Maximum Spin:  Weak play, weak vote
ToonyMan:  Something about him- maybe his repeated setting up of either/or pairs despite me calling him on it- is pinging my scumdar.  I would have voted him but lolhammer



I should do more but I'm just going to save this and post it D2

Also, I typed a looser more freeform post during N1:

Spoiler: Toaster's N1 Post that he can't post because it's Night (click to show/hide)

So this is written N1 while I analyze the wagon on NJW.

Magma Mater, webadict, EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, Roden with the hammer.
Toony supported the lynch but wasn't on the wagon.

I should look at NJW myself first.  Okay, he votes Roden for saying his 75% cop role is useless.  I dunno, I agree that's kinda useless.   Not an amazing vote, but it's not inherently scummy.

Eventually changes his vote to me because of my crappy input D1.  That's more fair, I should have posted more.

Nothing else from him.  Okay, let's take these in order.

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Magma Mater:  Votes NJW on the basis of him not liking either vote.  Like I said, I agree that the reasoning on NJW's Roden vote is bad, but I don't think it's *scummy* bad.  I don't understand his objection to NJW's vote on me.  I'll have to ask him about that D2.  Especially since he's actually okay with a vote on me (to a small extent) next post.  Dinging him a vote point for that.

Vote Rating:  4/10

webadict:  Agrees with MM re NJW, but without the contradiction on me.  He also at least put NJW on him scumlist (third) first.  Sees NJW as his last best lynch.

Vote Rating:  6/10

EuchreJack: "Oh, yeah miller should believe cop claim. [vote]NJW[/vote]"

I think EJ and I dislike NJW's response for different reasons.  I can see the basis behind his vote, but it does feel a BIT sudden.  It's certainly written like a sudden realization.  Ehhhh fairly solid vote.

Vote Rating:  7.5/10

Jim Groovester:  Immediately dislikes NJW's miller claim based on how it was done.  Afterwards has NJW as his #2 scum read.  Puts NJW at L-1 to see what happens.  In a vacuum, this vote's fine, BUT let's come back to Jim later.

Vote Rating: 7*/10

Roden:  For the record, I'm not sure why he felt no one would believe his 75% cop claim later.  Believes the miller claim at first.  Switches feeling because he doesn't like NJW's suspicions against him.  Pre-states willingness to hammer.  Does so.   Ehhhhhh he's all right I guess?  Not a huge fan of the vote but maybe I'm reading that backwards because I already know how NJW flips.

Vote Rating:  5.5/10

ToonyMan:  Votes NJW early for....... I'll be honest I don't understand his point.  Backs off it quick though; concievable as pressure vote.  Lists NJW as #3 scum in readlist "don't like their behavior."  Never fully explains why.

"Vote" Rating:  4.5/10


Cool, that puts everyone in the wagon (and Toony) in order.  However, I did mention Jim, and the one thing that stuck out to me.  He said he didn't like NJW's claim, BUT NEVER MENTIONED MINE.  Why?  This sticks out to me hard.

Anyway still have Toony top of my scumlist but he can hang out with Magma and Jim now.

TLDR:  My readlist as of D1 was Toony and Spin, with Magma and Jim creeping up the list over N1.


Jim:  Why was NJW's claim bad and mine unworthy of mention at all?


Maximum Spin:  You never did a damned thing with your vote on Magma.  Please justify the vote and leaving it there all D1.


Magma Mater:  I'm also going to need to see more justification of your vote on NJW.  Why was his vote on me bad?

[Magma Mater]

Checking in. No-kill is surprising. I'll say that I was neither responsible for the lack of kill, nor did I target EuchreJack. More later.

[EuchreJack]

PFP

I gave an item to Jack, please confirm but don't say what it is though.

The package was received from ToonyMan.  Now that I have been sufficiently bribed, I feel ToonyMan is Town.

I am also curious who else visited me.  Surely they were Good Reasons.

[Maximum Spin]

Good morning Maximum Spin.  Care to explain why there was no kill last night?

I have no idea. Thanks for roleblocking me, though.

Maximum Spin:  You never did a damned thing with your vote on Magma.  Please justify the vote and leaving it there all D1.

He posted a reaction gif, and that's terrible. Then I went to bed. When I got back to the thread, it was night.

Anyway, EuchreJack has convinced me that he's either town or absolutely stupid, and I don't think he's absolutely stupid. That makes Toaster and [in retrospect, redacted until later] my top picks. Why Toaster? Dropping a roleblock on a guy, choosing to no-kill, and blaming that guy? Sure, I'd do it. Ballsy, but far from implausible, especially if the kills are limited in one way or another.

[Maximum Spin]

(I also thought NJW was practically obvtown, so why would I want to move my vote? Criticizing me for not joining the bandwagon kind of misses the important point that the bandwagon was wrong.)

[ToonyMan]

I'm pretty confident that Toaster and Webadict are mafia. I can give detailed reasoning when I'm at a computer. For now, in short Web has been trying to lead bandwagons and get the heat off Toaster. This nokill is a frame job. Toaster is framing Max while also protecting Web.

I also wrote notes during N1 but they're at home and I won't be there for awhile today. I will post them when I can.

[webadict]

Ah yes, the eponymous "Web is Mafia because X is Mafia" rears its head again. Truly, it was missed. And my evidence is that I am both not defending enough ayers as Town AND I was defending Toaster? Damned if I do and damned if I don't. Guaranteed Toony brings nothing.

I will say it's still not likely to be Toaster, so that makes it Maximum Spin and probably ToonyMan. Roden being Cop still makes sense and Toaster claiming Null Miller makes no fucking sense as scum. Jim is pretty much cleared by virtue of audacity, and EuchreJack is... I don't think it's EJ, but it could be for role related reasons. Additionally, Toaster literally fucking catches Maximum Spin, and ToonyMan jumps to his defense, so this is laughably stupid to think about.

[webadict]

Also, I think the scum has a Multitasker, since I can count actions.

[webadict]

Actually, it might also be a hidden form of kill, like an arsonist.

[EuchreJack]

Ah, but Toonyman going down the ToonyTunnel means he's town, Web.

[ToonyMan]

@Webadict:
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Look at what happened to Max on D2 of Round 3. The game also where you were basically mafia with me. Max is an easy target and you know this.

@Jack:
I can't believe I'm still seeing that 2009 nickname term.