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[webadict]

If Vector is scum, then who even has poisoning?

[Maximum Spin]

Also: I'm really surprised Web is getting scum read for Studying Max.  Town!Web is curious!Web, and can't help but check out the strange and mysterious powers that Max might have, rather than checking out NJW's lame Voyeur ability.  Really, I can't have been the only one that saw that coming.

I agree with this, for the record.

[EuchreJack]

If Vector is scum, then who even has poisoning?

If Vector is scum, then Vector is the poisoner.  I still can't get over the fact that both Vector and Max are claimed poison docs, and I believe Max.
Is it possible for there to be TWO poison doctors?  You recall how TWO cops worked out last round.

[Maximum Spin]

If Vector is scum, then who even has poisoning?

I don't know, Vector? NJW? Nobody? Maybe my poison doctor ability is 100% a fakeout to get me to accidentally trip primes.

[Maximum Spin]

(No, I don't think it's likely to be, but come on, it's not hard to come up with ideas here.)

[EuchreJack]

Well, my suspects are Vector, Roden, and NJW.  I'd like to vote NJW as I think he is a mafia Voyeur, and the strategy is that the other mafiaso does the thing while NJW observes the partner/victim.  It balances out the informational roles.  But I don't see a NJW lynch forming, so I've mostly given up on that plan.

[EuchreJack]

All the Vector posts below:

Day 1:

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Scum has poison. I will not explain why I know that, so take it or leave the information as you will. Longer post later.

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I'm going to guess that what Vector wants us to conclude is either that A) Vector has poison, or B) Vector is particularly vulnerable to poison.
I'm feeling charitable enough to imagine that one of the two positions might be the truth. Anyone have poison so we can test this?

I'm in.

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I'm in.

Wait, really? I was just joking. Well, okay.

Yep, ready to be tested on this topic. Poisoners come forth OvO

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I'm willing to launch Tric solely on principle. I don't have clear reads on anyone just yet (for the most part I agree with EJ's readlist) but I do not want to LYLO with him again. Sure, MaxSpin is slightly obdurate. So what? Did you read LYLO last game?


PS: r.e. pronouns I see we moved from he/him default to they/them default. Yes, the done thing is to respect whatever anyone says. Default is a temporary matter until you get to know the person better!

For the cisgender people here unaccustomed to this state of affairs I invite you to reflect on your experience of being misgendered :V And, recall that we could have chosen a she/her default!

(should we have a rotating default? hm)

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TricMagic. I'm bleh on most of the conversation so far (hence no other good targets) and think that, in addition to my irritation with him, he's acting sus.

I'll answer other stuff later if I'm still alive, which, given the poison, I should be. So git yer outstanding questions for me ready for the beginning of D2.

(Sorry for the D1 laziness. I was out of town visiting friends all weekend, and then just got out of class/dinner now).

End of Day 1

Day 2:

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Hi, I'm a 1-shot poison doc. I protected NJW last night. I was not poisoned.

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There are no third parties in this setup, unless you mean a mafia ally which is not very accurate. FoU has stated the only possible alignments will be town, mafia, and mally.

LOL. I told you, Webby. No survivor.

Did anything else happen to you? Can you confirm you were primed?

I can't confirm anyone else's actions, unfortunately. I didn't get them as part of my night results.

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I agree with Webadict and am prepared to vote Toony. I'm calling Toony/Roden.

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@Vector: Any chance you might consider Roden instead?  Not that Toonyman is really any better mechanically, but his freakout seems legit.
You fought off Scum!Toonyman last round, does this play seem similar to that?  Note the word usage and tone.

I mean, yes, this is perfectly within ToonyMan's range as scum.


I believe that Max is town based on his last post. I'll vote ToonyMan in say half an hour if no one objects to me putting him at L-1.

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I'm voting ToonyMan as promised. Scum!Web always softpedals that I maaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy be scum but he might not attack me oh no last minute time to launch Vector. Town!Web knows my alignment unerringly when I'm town. Somehow.

Anyway, Web is town, he has dropped none of his personal scumtells and I agree the old Toonster has slipped into his scumsided play.

End of Day 2

Day 3

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I have night action news but will wait for Wubz to post.

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I None'd, and I have been poisoned. I will die post-elimination at EoD.

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Drat, so I am right.  Vector has been lying all along.

I ... no? I'm town.

Jack, you've realized the only person that could be the Vector poisoner is you yourself, or Vector has to be lying. I get that now.

@WEB: This is why. Anyway, as I'm not lying I guess it's EuchreJack 9_9

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OK. I am going to die at EOD and I frankly don't give a shit if people vote me out or not, because I'm already dead. In fact, voting for me is effectively voting for No Launch.

I did lie about my role. I'm a 2-shot poison doctor.

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Could also be teamed without a chat. Webadict and I were talking about that possibility after last round.

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Hi, I'm not pissed about being poisoned, I love being NKed LOL. I'm playing shitty (or not-here) this game because I'm so burned out from last round.

I have succeeded in my mission of getting Tric dead D1 and am now trying to succeed as town on zero effort U_U


I want you guys to think about priming in the context of Tric's sandwich-giving role. Tric's role "does nothing" except create a record of a neutral action between him and his target.

It's my theory as NJW says that like our JOAT's passive ignite, the mafia (or someone else) could have a passive priming action, piggy-backing onto someone else's target.


Euchrejack:

1. Regarding the poison overlap, it would make sense for me for a JOAT to have a one-shot poison move if scum also have a non-traditional NK.

2. I don't need to find your partner if it's you vs. me and I know that I'm town. You've been process-of-elimination'd according to present suspicions.

3. I've been online and reading, just not posting here. You can check my posting history if you want 9_9 Point is, yes, I coulda quickhammered if I wanted. But I didn't.

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EJ: Here's a concept. I'm completely exhausted and don't feel like scumhunting.

I don't know who your partner is. I don't think it's Web because of meta behavior and this is all devolving into a morass of mechanical tells that plays exactly to my weakpoint as a player. Plus, I'm already dead. I kind of want to be dead in peace.

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this fucking game

You're all idiots, I'm going to sleep; is what I'd like to say. U_U

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[starting to wonder if I'm actually scum]

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EJ, you already posted that you dingus.

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OK, whatever. Toony's confirmed and apparently we're not killing EJ, so let's take out Webadict.

Ready to put your money in your mouth, Wubzy?

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Dude, I'll hammer myself. Get me to L-1, I'll end this nightmare for everyone!

Web doesn't have to do that.  You certainly didn't vote yourself, Vector.

I didn't claim that I would vote for myself though?

[Maximum Spin]

NJW2000 anyway.

I was totally going to post this before EuchreJack said that.

[ToonyMan]

First of all, Vector is town. NJW is town. Max is town.

This leaves Web, Jack, and Roden.

Web is always mafia so let's look at Web/Jack first as I feel that's much more likely than Web/Roden. We'll specifically be looking at Jack since Webadict is leading the pack here. We want to be sure who we're voting tomorrow after we kill Web today.

Day 1

I claim that it's NJW and Max's turns to be mafia.

Jack agrees even though it's a gambler's fallacy. Jack says he doesn't think both would be in the mafia team, but he thinks there's one mafia between NJW and Max.

This is the second post of the game. NJW and Max haven't even posted.

NJW does a FoS on Jack for bad logic.

Webadict decides to ignore me for D1, how helpful.

Webadict votes TricMagic because Tric votes Roden for bad reasons. Webadict's vote never moves after this point until Tric is lynched. I agree that Tric's reasons for voting Roden were poor and Tric does unvote Roden. I share more of my confusion over Tric here later in the day. Webadict shows no hesistance about Tric, a player he's supposedly extremely good at reading.

Jack votes NJW with some soft pressure.

Webadict doesn't believe Tric, responding to Jack.

Me explaining to Tric why Roden is probably town. Tric unvotes Roden here.

Jack hints at being a watcher. Webadict does not choose to target Jack on N1. You wouldn't target your mafia partner after all.

Jack straight up states they really think NJW or Max could be mafia because they haven't had a chance to be mafia yet.

NJW votes Webadict and starts to attack him here. Webadict blows the fuck up on NJW for the rest of the day (while still voting Tric). It's the biggest reason why Web/NJW isn't possible to me.

Vector softclaims a doctor role. Not an investigation role.

Webadict doesn't believe Vector that scum have poison.

L O FUCKING L

Try to show D2 Webadict that and you wouldn't think it's the same person.

I put down some D1 reads, this is important for later.

Webadict literally copy pastes my reads. Thinks me and Max are town and that my scumreads NJW and Tric are mafia. This whole posts reads like a joke, especially going to Day 2.

Jack's reads have the exact same scumreads of NJW and Tric. The same scumreads I had, the same scumreads Web copied. Jack and Web were completely in-sync with my wrong reads. Gives Webadict a "straight null", only above NJW and Tric.

Jack defends Web from Tric right after.

NJW puts Jack at the top of their reads and Webadict at the bottom of their reads. This is actually relevant since I've noticed NJW tends to either get one read completely correct and one completely wrong, or have both mafia somewhere around the middle. For this list the two in the middle are me and Tric so...

NJW has also stayed very consistent with believing Jack is town, even into D3 now. I think that shows some believability into town!NJW.

I switch from NJW to Tric. My vote doesn't move the rest of the day.

Tric's feelings. Doesn't trust Web or NJW. Thinks Max is fitting their town meta. "Jack is off, but not that off. Roden is weird, but I'm weird." Slight town read on Vector.

I explain to Tric that there's a good chance Webadict is mafia if Tric is town.

Tric complies and votes Webadict over me or NJW.

I find Jack's top townread of Vector extremely odd.

Max hints at their death-related role. It's really subtle so I didn't even notice.

NJW sticks with voting Webadict. Webadict predictably explodes on him, calling him names and shitting on his play, just like when I accused Web on D2. I should mention it's not the serious kind of hate from Web, but the condescending "I'm so much better than you" smug hate that you wouldn't see with town!Web.

Web continues to vote Tric.

I explain how everyone has voted so far.

Web declares me, Jack, and Roden town. States that Roden is unlikely to be paired with anyone. Vector is slightly town. Max is being aloof. NJW has made an extremely shitty case on our lord Web. Tric is weird and mafia.

This of course points to either a Web/Jack or Web/Roden team.

Web thinks Vector is being honest with their policy-lynch vote on Tric.

Jack jumps on Tric now. We could speculate this is to ensure Web isn't lynched, even though Web was at the bottom 3 of Jack's reads alongside Tric and NJW.

Web thinks Jack should NEVER be vig-killed when Max asks the question of who he should vig if he had the ability to.

Funny enough, Max did target Jack with Ember Tracking which shows that Max was okay the most with Jack possibly dying on N1. Really going against what Web said, heh.

Jack doesn't want Web to be vigged since "if town it's his first game this tournament as town."

Roden is confused that me and Web are unable to read each other in this game.


And that's Day 1. Web and Jack have each others back constantly through the day. Web attacks Tric and NJW. Jack goes from voting NJW to voting Tric, the exact same voting pattern I had. Exploiting the fact I was incorrect.


Currently on this Day 3, Jack is pushing for Vector while Webadict is pushing for Roden. But in reality, they are both 100% okay with Roden since they probably win the game if they can mislynch someone who isn't Vector. We might be able to have another day if we mislynch Vector, but why not just lynch mafia today?


Day 2 has a lot more to go through and I have work tomorrow so I'm not sure I'll get through it before deadline, but I will try to get the main meat of Day 2 between Web and Jack.


PPE:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

Here's literally ONE example.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

Here's another.

Boom, not cleared.

WHO CARES ABOUT

MECHANICAL BULLSHIT

FUCKING
SCUMHUNT

That thing you're incapable of doing in this game.

[ToonyMan]

NJW2000 anyway.

I was totally going to post this before EuchreJack said that.

NJW is never mafia because Webadict is mafia.

[ToonyMan]

In no way, shape, or form, are you mechanically cleared, for the same reasons that I'm not mechanically cleared, except you're EVEN LESS mechanically cleared because your Night 1 action is unconfirmed.

AMAZING SCUMHUNTING

10/10 YOU GOT RODEN

[ToonyMan]

To be clear, Roden is cleared as having not poisoned Vector N2.  Roden was roleblocked N2 by Toonyman.

There are only three options:
1) Vector is lying about being poisoned.
2) NJW poisoned Vector
3) I, EuchreJack, poisoned Vector

There is also the possibility of slow acting, slow detecting poison, but I'm going to disregard that.

THIS ISN'T SCUMHUNTING

THIS ISN'T SCUMHUNTING

[EuchreJack]

To be clear, Roden is cleared as having not poisoned Vector N2.  Roden was roleblocked N2 by Toonyman.

There are only three options:
1) Vector is lying about being poisoned.
2) NJW poisoned Vector
3) I, EuchreJack, poisoned Vector

There is also the possibility of slow acting, slow detecting poison, but I'm going to disregard that.

THIS ISN'T SCUMHUNTING

THIS ISN'T SCUMHUNTING

Like you're one to talk.  How have you contributed today?
Fuck it, I'm just gonna vote Roden, and if scum hammer because I'm wrong, then fuck it.

[webadict]

Doesn't matter, Max. This is the confirmed Town player we have to deal with, and he will lose us the game. He will always think I'm scum.

I think he literally just went through every post to try and find me as scum. I can only assume that he wants payback for being scummy D2.

ToonyMan, seriously, consider one thing: If I am not scum, who is?

Because it ain't Vector, it ain't Max, it ain't EuchreJack, and it ain't you.

Also, no offense, but no one is reading your shitlist. Pack it in a bit.

[EuchreJack]

Webadict decides to ignore me for D1, how helpful.

@Toonyman: Is this what it is all about?  Web ignores you D1, so you have to punish him, even if means losing the game for the rest of us?