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[ToonyMan]

@Jack:
I don't understand the sudden shift onto NJW and Vector. Why do you think Vector and NJW have been lying now?

Jack, I only think you're mafia if it's exactly with Webadict. Web is always the first pick here though.

[ToonyMan]

@Toonyman, since you are confirmed town, and want Web dead, maybe you can explain this to me.  How do we know that the scum team is not NJW2000 and Vector, with Vector having primed 2 people, and NJW2000 watching for the last two nights, with the end game being after elimination N3 when one of them primes a 3rd target and the other pushes the detonator for the win?

Because Jack/Web is more likely than NJW/Vector.

I'm gonna be so happy when you see how fucking wrong you are, it's gonna be hilarious.

Okay, what's going on here then? Don't be afraid to be wrong three times in a row, I'll listen.

[Maximum Spin]

If the mafia group is NJW/Vector, and we assume that they have been priming people secretly, we do need to ask ourselves which of them can pull the ignite trigger. I think it's more likely to be Vector, because in that case the poison claim would essentially be a bid to survive today on the grounds that a lynch would become irrelevant.

[EuchreJack]

One last: My role definitely makes it plausible to me that mafia do actually have dual poison/priming. Certainly I can confirm they both exist in the game.

The post from Max about confirming poison.  Now to read the posts since my last post.

[EuchreJack]

If the mafia group is NJW/Vector, and we assume that they have been priming people secretly, we do need to ask ourselves which of them can pull the ignite trigger. I think it's more likely to be Vector, because in that case the poison claim would essentially be a bid to survive today on the grounds that a lynch would become irrelevant.

Presumably, the mafia team would only be able to prime one person per night, to correspond to the normal one kill a night of a normal game.  We have no reason to believe that only one person on the mafia team could pull the ignite.  However, this means an ignite on N3 would take out 3 townies, so assuming we lynch one of them, town should still outnumber them.  Also, I'm assuming the turn resolution would go prime THEN ignite, since the mafia kill is usually last in turn resolution.
But only the mafia team and FOU would know that for sure.

[EuchreJack]

@Jack:
I don't understand the sudden shift onto NJW and Vector. Why do you think Vector and NJW have been lying now?

Jack, I only think you're mafia if it's exactly with Webadict. Web is always the first pick here though.

@Toonyman: Since I know you've read my posts, you can see that I vaguely suspected it before, but I guess I didn't buy it because NJW seemed to confirm my role.
I also overlooked that Max sorta counterclaimed Vector, since Max only sorta claimed until now.

[ToonyMan]

The way I see it, if Webadict is town (false) the only possibility is NJW/Vector omegabraining as mafia. This is extremely unlikely.

In other words, Web has to argue NJW/Vector. He's always mafia otherwise so...

[Maximum Spin]

I also overlooked that Max sorta counterclaimed Vector, since Max only sorta claimed until now.

It's entirely possible that we both have that power.

The way I see it, if Webadict is town (false) the only possibility is NJW/Vector omegabraining as mafia. This is extremely unlikely.

Why is that unlikely, though? It's not THAT advanced a tactic, and they're both good players.

[ToonyMan]

@Jack:
Why not consider Webadict is mafia with Roden or Max? Even though both Roden and Max couldn't have poisoned Vector they could still be mafia with Web if Web is the poisoner.

I am open to Vector/NJW theories though, as we don't want to leave any stone unturned today.

[EuchreJack]

@Jack:
Why not consider Webadict is mafia with Roden or Max? Even though both Roden and Max couldn't have poisoned Vector they could still be mafia with Web if Web is the poisoner.

I am open to Vector/NJW theories though, as we don't want to leave any stone unturned today.

Web just told you the name of Maximum Spin's power, which means Web could not have poisoned Vector unless Web was on a scum team with Maximum Spin.
And frankly, if Maximum Spin had to resurrect someone as mafia, why again is Tric dead and you alive?

[ToonyMan]

Why is that unlikely, though? It's not THAT advanced a tactic, and they're both good players.

It means mafia chose not to kill or do anything harmful on N1.

This is possible since I was restricted last round, but FoU said they'd make mafia stronger. I was just res'd so mafia have to be at least kind of powerful. Web and NJW are not of the same alignment at least this much I feel confident.

[ToonyMan]

@Jack:
Why not consider Webadict is mafia with Roden or Max? Even though both Roden and Max couldn't have poisoned Vector they could still be mafia with Web if Web is the poisoner.

I am open to Vector/NJW theories though, as we don't want to leave any stone unturned today.

Web just told you the name of Maximum Spin's power, which means Web could not have poisoned Vector unless Web was on a scum team with Maximum Spin.
And frankly, if Maximum Spin had to resurrect someone as mafia, why again is Tric dead and you alive?

...Why do you think Web is town Jack?

[EuchreJack]

Why is that unlikely, though? It's not THAT advanced a tactic, and they're both good players.

It means mafia chose not to kill or do anything harmful on N1.

This is possible since I was restricted last round, but FoU said they'd make mafia stronger. I was just res'd so mafia have to be at least kind of powerful. Web and NJW are not of the same alignment at least this much I feel confident.

I think you missed something.  NJW voyeured* Vector.  Vector wasn't tracked, and could have primed someone N1.  Which is pretty damn harmful.
*I said watch before, sorry for that.  Best replay NJW's message for best clarity.

[EuchreJack]

@Jack:
Why not consider Webadict is mafia with Roden or Max? Even though both Roden and Max couldn't have poisoned Vector they could still be mafia with Web if Web is the poisoner.

I am open to Vector/NJW theories though, as we don't want to leave any stone unturned today.

Web just told you the name of Maximum Spin's power, which means Web could not have poisoned Vector unless Web was on a scum team with Maximum Spin.
And frankly, if Maximum Spin had to resurrect someone as mafia, why again is Tric dead and you alive?

...Why do you think Web is town Jack?

Because I'm town, and I can't see any mechanical way that Web would be scum if I'm not scum.  Since I know I'm town, I'm forced to clear Web, even though they're acting really scummy.

[EuchreJack]

I also overlooked that Max sorta counterclaimed Vector, since Max only sorta claimed until now.

It's entirely possible that we both have that power.

Not in a FOU game.  In this tournament, you could have similar powers, but not the same powers.  FOU is too crazy to give out two of the exact same roles.