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[EuchreJack]

Time to plan for end of day.
I have a roleblock/protect role, so I can lock down one person
Roden can declare that they will track someone, limiting the options of a second person
Tric can redirect one action onto themselves once, forcing the hand of a third person

I think we can create a breaking strategy from that, especially since the lynch and Toony's kill brings us to five people.  It works if all three of us declare whom we are going to be targeting, I think.  If any of us are lying, it should be fairly obvious Day Two.
It should keep mafia from getting off their kill silently.

Since Toonyman's shot apparently goes off at the same time as the lynch, Toonyman will have to declare his target prior to the lynch.

[EuchreJack]

UNVOTE

[EuchreJack]

I have to make sure the scum team isn't Toonyman and Vector, as under that scenario we'd be boned with two votes on NJW.

[EuchreJack]

Guys, I think we have to vote Toonyman.

If Toonyman is mafia, he can now hammer for two shots at end of day.  The Toonyman/Vector scum team needed to find out if there was a roleblocker or doctor, and who had it, before they could hammer for the win.  They never suspected each other.

[EuchreJack]

The Wall (please oh please read and analyze):

1. I'm very against no-kill D1.

...because no-kill D1 denies the Toonyman/Vector scumteam of their 3 shots and win. Those would be the Lynch, the End-day Shot, and the Night Kill.

Spoiler: ToonyMan's first reads, note Vector's place (click to show/hide)

@Tric:

If Toony shoots scum, we should definitely vote today. But if he hits town, we can't vote. If Toony misfires and then we mislynch, scum wins by shooting town tonight unless a protective role comes in clutch.

Roden.. Just a question. Why do you assume there are two mafia? What applies to one game may not apply to the other.

You don't think there's two mafia Tric? I think it has to be that or one mafia + one mafia-ally.


@Roden:

This is just an aside, but I haven't actually seen Toony's scum play yet, and every game I'm wondering if this is gonna be the one even though I'm not really noticing any differences in his playstyle.

Hehehe, I feel the same about you Roden.

Although you do have the advantage on me in the form of past games. I've been mafia a couple times this year, but only once in a significant game: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 2. That's seriously it. I'll be a bit miffed if I don't roll mafia a single time in these rounds.


Reads

Roden - town as fuck
Jack - mega town

Vector - I don't knooow
Met - "why are there many rounds?"

Tric - suspicious
NJW - bullseye


Met are you able to play additional rounds? I want an extension at this point.

Spoiler: Next ToonyMan Reads, note the slow build on Vector (click to show/hide)

I don't like jack's play. It's similar to last game but instead of never taking a real stance this game jack is taking many weak stances. NJW seems like a player I will have difficulty reading. Ultimately I'll have to do some kind of agenda meta analysis. The way Tric tunnels on roden is notable

I think the way Jack is flopping around is indicative they're town.

I trust Roden who believes in Jack.
I trust Jack based on their behavior.
If I trust Vector then I should suspect Tric.
I don't trust Tric.
I'm mixed on NJW (I would shoot Tric or Met over NJW right now).

I think there's at least one mafia between Tric and Met.

@NJW:
Between Tric and Met who do you think is a more likely hit?

Spoiler: Vector's only reads, pushes Toonyman as town (click to show/hide)

@Vector: Last game, as mafia, you didn't claim D1, held your vote on one person the whole day,  and mildly FoS'd your scumbuddy. So far in this game you've held your vote on one person and not claimed. I don't really know your playstyle. If your alignment is different this game, is there going to be a difference between your D1s that indicates that?

I'm town.

I'm also a veteran at this game. No, you shouldn't expect to be able to read me. Why does everyone think I'm not going to be good at this after 10 years @_@


I still think it's Tric and I'm sticking with it. P. sure Metruption is town, think Toony is town, ... Euchrejack is probably town, he's all over the place as town. I guess if I was going to think of a team it would be NJW/Tric. NJW was playing good town last game and just took a massive drop in skill level, so that's a tell of some kind.

PS: I'm good with the "Toony shoots and NL if they're town" plan. I'm also OK with NJW, even. That would give us a lot of information about EJ and Tric, and I genuinely think NJW could be scum.


I know that I've been one of the options. If you decide I'm going to die today, you need to let me claim first. I'll be on tonight but I may be absent for a while because, you know, I have grad school.

The request.  What I'm now seeing as coordination, and an excuse for Toonyman to stall a bit.

In terms of my final decision making for today...

I'll be shooting NJW or Tric if the lynch isn't one of them today so.

If the lynch is one of them I might still kill the other or Met during end phase, not sure right now.

PPE:

Also means Toony has a way to survive tonight if Jack is telling the truth.. Sorta inclined to believe him.

I would hope so, your statements gave the impression you wanted the doctor to out themselves:

Turning this on it's head. Do mafia have a nightkill? We have a lot of roles that can mess with things so far. Vector isn't talking, and you bring this out an ask who we want dead. Even though...
Hmm. Do we have a doctor or not is my question. Right now we have a redirect, a track, and vig. Of the remaining, if two are mafia alligned. Granted, one of us could be.. Are you attempting to draw the doctor to target you?
... Not that that makes sense with the idea there is no mafia kill, but still. Perhaps as an ally. (Not enough info here. Day 2 gives a lot more based on what happens at night.)

Trying to act like it's Tric's fault that I slipped and revealed the one role they desperately needed to show in order pull off the win.  I knew my role was too powerful for this setup...

Please oh please explain how I'm wrong.  Start talking about it.

[Vector]

Vector is likely to vote me once they read my posts about them

?

[EuchreJack]

Final evidence: The push on NJW who DIDN'T claim an active ability, as that is indicative of a Bulletproof, which can only die to the Lynch and not Toonyman's bullet OR the night kill.

[Vector]

How is not claiming an active ability indicative of bulletproof?

Please get some sleep and then come back.

[EuchreJack]

Yeah, I should probably UNVOTE as well.

[Vector]

The Toonyman/Vector scum team needed to find out if there was a roleblocker or doctor, and who had it, before they could hammer for the win.

Which is why I said that I didn't want a fullclaim, which I already ate shit for. Please keep up.

[ToonyMan]

Could have mentioned that. Does it still proc if we lynch you?

Yes. If people try to push for me I will absolutely bring down my top suspect with me.

For some clarity, my daykill only pops at the same time the lynch happens. We can't flip someone and then decide on someone else the same day. It'll be simultaneous. I guess it's for game balance.

That's not a day kill lol. This changes everything, it's way less safe than an actual day kill if it's conditional on there being an elimination.
Can you tell us the name of your role? And does your day kill count as an actual Vig shot or is it technically a second lynch?

There doesn't have to be an elimination, they die at the end of the day regardless. I apologize for not clarifying this sooner but I wanted to get some good reactions and voices on who people would like to see dead during the day, this is why I'm stating it now.

The full name is One-Shot Day Poisoner. My flavor's hidden profession is toxicologist.

[ToonyMan]

They will know they were poisoned so they can confirm this before dying which confirms my kill, or they can lie which proves they're mafia.

[ToonyMan]

@TricMagic:

Do mafia have a nightkill?

Guess we'll find out, huh?

@NJW:
Between Tric and Met who do you think is a more likely hit?

... Met hadn't actually had time to post. So why do you assume him to be Mafia? I mean, you assume me too, but I haven't had any interactions with him. No one has. Well, other than jack, but that's quite recent. He's still in the push stage of voting.

My top suspects are you, NJW, and Met. There's either two mafia or mafia+ally so you can't all three be mafia. I think the rest of the players are likely town. This leaves Met (which I will need to read their posts now that they're here) and you two. This is why I would like to hear your opinion of the other two.

I think Tric/NJW is my top pick, but I could see Met/Tric, Met/NJW, or possibly Met/Vector.

I am not targeting Roden or Jack as not only have they openly stated their abilities willingly, but I think they're town.

You have also shared your ability - which I am grateful for - however it was under Vector's pressure which makes it less convincing to me than Round 1, does this make sense?

So dead either way. Yeah, no ToonyMan, I don't buy it. This is the first I've heard of it occurring and day end. And that's important information. I don't mind dying if I take you out.

Seriously, you left us with the impression we'd have discussion time, but it occurring at day end changes the narrative entirely. That makes it closer to a Mafia breaker than a town-aligned breaker.

The fact you don't mind dying here is actually pretty towny. Mafia should be 90% sure I'm not lying about my ability which means there's no way they'd risk getting taken down with me unless they have major guts. I like it.


@Met:

NJW
i would expect town!njw to respond to tric pointing out the logical leaps made by now, especially considering njw has posted since then and responded to something else entirely. my guess is that the badlogic was a genuine scumslip and njw just ignoring it, and hoping people forget about it

the right thing to do when you scumslip is explain how it isn't a scumslip and then win the game off of it with charisma by getting all of your detractors yeeted

How do you feel about Vector?

[Vector]

PS Actually [flexes] it's a PhD in mathematics

[ToonyMan]

You could say I am an expert in being toxic.