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[EuchreJack]

@Tric: You can't use Red unless you want to vote someone, which could be hammered ending discussion.  Since we can't rely on Toonyman being democratic, the execution suggestion is stronger than a FOS.  I obviously don't want "anyone" to die, I explicitly pleaded with Toonyman not to kill Met.

@Toonyman: Met's one post was just a greeting, and frankly I'd like to welcome another mafia player rather than scare them off.
First you must engage the person to join the conversation, THEN you scare them into spilling their guts.  But you know that, you're a decent interrogator/investigator.

Hm, if daykilling NJW200 is a "bad' idea, then what about Vector?_{I can't bold my targets, since I try to bold my responses, as to others} I'm getting a Null read, which is normal mafia!Vector behavior.  And look at how much trouble Vector as mafia gave town last round, when Town basically had the game "Won" with all the info needed.

Town will need time to mentally process the day kill, but the longer the delay the more the information.  I trust Toonyman's judgement in this area.

@Roden: How does your No-Lynch strategy unfold should Toonyman "hits" mafia? Or what if Toonyman "hits" Town?

[Roden]

If Toony shoots scum, we should definitely vote today. But if he hits town, we can't vote. If Toony misfires and then we mislynch, scum wins by shooting town tonight unless a protective role comes in clutch.

[TricMagic]

If Toony shoots scum, we should definitely vote today. But if he hits town, we can't vote. If Toony misfires and then we mislynch, scum wins by shooting town tonight unless a protective role comes in clutch.

Roden.. Just a question. Why do you assume there are two mafia? What applies to one game may not apply to the other.

[EuchreJack]

@Roden: Should a roleblocker claim?

I think I can post a reads list now:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

EuchreJack: Placeholder so I can get everyone on the list
Toonyman: As others have mentioned, the Day Kill gambit sorta outs them as Town, should they follow through with it.
Tric: I guess I can't rely upon Toonyman to determine Tric's alignment.  Seems legit in hunting, and does not seem to "know the answer". Not as "aggressive" as when normally town, though.
NJW2000: I think I just can't read them well, so NAI.
Metruption: Needs to start playing a bit, so NAI. I think we scared them off, but last round when I saw that I missed the first half of day 1 as mafia, I was scared too.  So it won't remain NAI forever...
Vector: I don't really have any great Town Vector references, but these posts match my Mafia Vector experiences.
Roden: Ah, my on-and-off #1 suspect.  I keep getting scum reads.  Is "changing things up" just code for "I'm playing differently because I'm mafia?"

[Roden]

If Toony shoots scum, we should definitely vote today. But if he hits town, we can't vote. If Toony misfires and then we mislynch, scum wins by shooting town tonight unless a protective role comes in clutch.

Roden.. Just a question. Why do you assume there are two mafia? What applies to one game may not apply to the other.

I will always assume two mafia. I've suggested there could be a Serial Killer scenario, but without proof it's always safer to assume two mafia so that we don't accidentally endgame ourselves Day 1.

@Roden: Should a roleblocker claim?

Last Roleblocker was scum, so they can go ahead lol. If a town Roleblocker exists I'd be really confused.

Since you scum read me, do you not believe my Tracker claim? I could target you tonight to prove it, if you have an active ability.

[Roden]

This is just an aside, but I haven't actually seen Toony's scum play yet, and every game I'm wondering if this is gonna be the one even though I'm not really noticing any differences in his playstyle.

[NJW2000]

Spoiler: semi-mechanical speculations about the daykill (click to show/hide)

If Toony shoots scum, we should definitely vote today. But if he hits town, we can't vote. If Toony misfires and then we mislynch, scum wins by shooting town tonight unless a protective role comes in clutch.

This reasoning checks out, provided there are two mafia, an assumption I'll work on for now. We probably do want the chance to actually use info from the night, and mislynching twice today might end the game before that.

I am starting to think that this suggests that we should only use Toony's kill if we're pretty sure of hitting scum, and use the lynch otherwise. If we don't hit scum, we've wasted quite a strong advantage.

As long as Toony is alive, town can essentially make two lynches in one day. This could be very powerful in situations where one of two people must be lying, which are only really going to occur after a night. So missing today with Toony's power could waste a useful opportunity.

The potential gain from using the kill  democratically today, on the other hand, is that we may hit scum with the kill and have a lynch left. If that happens, we essentially have an extra lynch in a 5v1 situation. Not a gigantic advantage.

Then again, there's the question of keeping Toony alive through the night. Discussing that is a bit sensitive, really - people may not want to claim abilities that can do that. It's pretty uncertain that we'd be able to do it. In any case, I'm starting to suspect that Toony does not intend to let people vote on the kill at all.

tl;dr: I imagine Toony is going to provide town some information by the end of the day.


@Vector: Last game, as mafia, you didn't claim D1, held your vote on one person the whole day,  and mildly FoS'd your scumbuddy. So far in this game you've held your vote on one person and not claimed. I don't really know your playstyle. If your alignment is different this game, is there going to be a difference between your D1s that indicates that?

[EuchreJack]

This is just an aside, but I haven't actually seen Toony's scum play yet, and every game I'm wondering if this is gonna be the one even though I'm not really noticing any differences in his playstyle.

You and me both, bro.  You and me both.
And sure, feel free to follow me around during the night phase.

[ToonyMan]

@Tric:

If Toony shoots scum, we should definitely vote today. But if he hits town, we can't vote. If Toony misfires and then we mislynch, scum wins by shooting town tonight unless a protective role comes in clutch.

Roden.. Just a question. Why do you assume there are two mafia? What applies to one game may not apply to the other.

You don't think there's two mafia Tric? I think it has to be that or one mafia + one mafia-ally.


@Roden:

This is just an aside, but I haven't actually seen Toony's scum play yet, and every game I'm wondering if this is gonna be the one even though I'm not really noticing any differences in his playstyle.

Hehehe, I feel the same about you Roden.

Although you do have the advantage on me in the form of past games. I've been mafia a couple times this year, but only once in a significant game: Mostly Vanilla Mafia 2. That's seriously it. I'll be a bit miffed if I don't roll mafia a single time in these rounds.


Reads

Roden - town as fuck
Jack - mega town

Vector - I don't knooow
Met - "why are there many rounds?"

Tric - suspicious
NJW - bullseye


Met are you able to play additional rounds? I want an extension at this point.

[EuchreJack]

Met are you able to play additional rounds? I want an extension at this point.

@FallacyofUrist: Agree with Toonyman on this.  Its unfair to not grant one at this point.  A single 24 hours due to the misunderstanding would be fair.

Also, I consider it a personal victory to obtain Mega Town without resorting to Drunk Posting.  It does however set the bar high when I invariably roll mafia in the future.

Now to re-read NJW2000's post to see how they progressed from "Bad Reasons to shoot" into "Bullseye".

[EuchreJack]

@Vector: Last game, as mafia, you didn't claim D1, held your vote on one person the whole day,  and mildly FoS'd your scumbuddy. So far in this game you've held your vote on one person and not claimed. I don't really know your playstyle. If your alignment is different this game, is there going to be a difference between your D1s that indicates that?

Ah, hypocrisy.  NJW2000 is doing the same thing they're accusing Vector of doing.  Hasn't claimed D1, is holding their vote on Roden the whole day, and hopefully FoS'd their scumbuddy.  An attractive target indeed.

[Metruption]

okay gonna put on clothes, eat some chocolate, and catch up read

[Metruption]

I'd be more impressed if you actually explained mathematically whether or not it would be good for Town to No-Lynch under a standard 7 player scenario.

in 5v2 you absolutely want to yeet every time
if you don't yeet the it's 4v2 next day which means you either yeet correctly (which is harder to do than in 3v2 because more townies to hit) so you can choose to not yeet and then give scum another night kill. just having the wagon analysis is so nice

[Metruption]

Must...not...vote...Roden...must...let...other...players...post. 

Public Service Announcement: With 4 to hammer this round, and one vote on Roden, another vote means the 2-person scum team we saw last round would have the votes to hammer Roden.  Keep this in mind and vote responsibly.  Thank you!

i hope they do something like that so that we know who they are lol

[Metruption]

I don't like jack's play. It's similar to last game but instead of never taking a real stance this game jack is taking many weak stances. NJW seems like a player I will have difficulty reading. Ultimately I'll have to do some kind of agenda meta analysis. The way Tric tunnels on roden is notable

who claimed psychologist and then said they were actually a redirector? that's policy yeetable tbh
also biologist is not really related to psychology. like maybe one could argue that psychology is a form of biology but if someone wants to get that pedantic then i will remind them that literally everything is just applied set theory