DAY 1
Webadict ISO#36 - First post, answers Magma's RVS question.
Not much here, is pretty low energy for Web.
#63 - Continues response with Magma. Doesn't think they'll be able to contribute much in this game. Kinda of wants to ask for a replacement, but thinks maybe they'll get better or nightkilled eventually and not have to play. Doesn't have any feelings besides Toony being "town enough".
More low energy. Doesn't really want to play. This isn't alignment indicative.
#92 - Jack asks them not to Chinese Fire Drill to which Web responds "why are you asking me that?" and gives a maybe. They give their first reads list while also voting Toony.
Anyway, since I'm feeling a bit better, initial feelings are:
Magma Mater - Super blathery but also super Town. Probing for answers. Enter the pocket.
EuchreJack - Very Town. Sheeping the right answers.
hedgerow - Hmm... Town. Call it a hunch. I would explain why, but only if hedge asks. The pocket easily fits two.
Roden - Townlean. Against the BT strat for what feels like legitimate reasons. Is that even a good reason to trust someone is Town? Maybe. Still gonna do it.
Rolan7 - I forgot everything I read from them.
BluarianKnight - Scumlean. Absolutely no reason. Okay, maybe also because bias.
ToonyMan - Was Townlean until they didn't like EuchreJack's reasoning for BluarianKnight, which is really baffling and super passive. Give me better.
This reads list is very early in my opinion. Their response to Jack could be them trying to shake Jack off them if they're partners.
Web reads:
Magma and Jack as strong town.
Hedgerow and Roden as weak town with Hedgerow slightly better.
Rolan as null.
Bluarian and Toony as scummy.
Doesn't mention Pref.
#97 - Web claims OMGUS when Toony says them not mentioning Pref could mean Web/Pref.
Their response is really defensive here. I think it could be them trying to incriminate a town!Pref with them if they're mafia. In other words Web/Pref is less likely. They use the term OMGUS incorrectly, but everybody does so kind of moot.
#99 - Continued reponses with Toony. Claims they can pocket as many people as they want. Doesn't see Toony's reasoning for why Bluarian is likely town and disagrees strongly with Toony's mafia read of Jack.
Is hard defending Jack here and disagrees with my town read of Bluarian. Doesn't think I'm allowed to use Jack's posts to find Web scummy even though scum revealing/slipping their partners is a completely valid point.
#110 - More interactions with Toony. Calls Toony "def scum" now. Says that Toony is protecting Bluarian and Roden and notes Toony is not doing the same with Magma. Thinks Jack is incredibly easy to read and that they do think Jack is wrong about Hedgerow being mafia.
Blows up on me here. Neither me or Jack have seen mafia!Jack so I don't see how Web can say that Jack is incredibly easy to read, especially if Jack rolled mafia here. I don't believe Web would make this mistake in reasoning as town.
#111 - Challenges Toony to vote them.
Might be full of hot air. I've seen mafia!Web do this "vote me" schtick on
Day 2 of Supernatural 10.#114 - Another post just for Toony. Gets angry when Toony says town!Web wouldn't read them so poorly. Tric posts that Web has asked for a replacement right after.
This is a pretty self-destructive post. I've seen Web get much angrier than this as town, but I'm surprised he would replace out as either alignment. I can't recall him ever doing this.
#118 - Web's last post. After already asking for a replacement they answer Roden's questions in the most sarcastic way possible. They jokingly claim Vanilla Townie or Doctor. They continue to cast shade on Toony.
We know this setup can no longer have the Doctor in it so Web is probably talking out of his ass here. If they're town they could be saying this to either eat the NK or avoid the NK, it's not very clear. If they're mafia they're trying to play off like they're town doing the same thing. Web hasn't even been online since making this post.
Overall, Web's behavior is strange, low energy, and hyper defensive. If Web is mafia: Web/Roden feels extremely unlikely. Web/Magma feels unlikely, Web/Pref feels possible, and Web/Jack feels the most likely.FallacyofUrist's ISO#150 - FoU's first post after replacing Web. It's a pretty big one that covers a lot. Claims they aren't going to be playing like Web. Responds to most players with pretty normal stuff. FoU also thinks Jack is easy to read and tells Jack they should be more paranoid. They would normally vote Jack over their low-effort reads list, but choose not to.
FoU is prety laid back here and they also don't vote anybody which I find odd for mid-Day sub in. They clearly have been reading the whole thread up until this point as they've responded to a bunch of quotes. Maybe FoU would have voted Jack here normally, but chose not to because they're both mafia?
#162 - Banter with Jack. Thinks that Jack is townie but approaching things from a skewed, narrow perspective.
Jack gave FoU a very unnatural vote in post
#155 before quickly unvoting in post
#161. Like seriously, I've been seeing a lot of legit and natural fights between players in this game so this bit really stands out as a possible theater show to me, Jack's attack on FoU about reads lists feels very odd.
I don't like how FoU thinks that Jack is a townie viewing things from a narrow perspective because I feel exactly the opposite about Jack. Jack has given off tells that they are aware of every player's alignments throughout the whole game. Jack's hyper defensive attitude towards Roden near D1 end does not change that fact at all, could easily still be mafia!Jack just trying to strike back at Roden hard for scum reading them.
#167 - Unvotes Toony after Jack points out that Web's vote is still on Toony since they like Toony. FoU bribes Jack that they'll make a reads list if Jack can post a case while voting for the player they think is scummiest. Continues to state that Jack is just misplaying town and easy to read.
This is blatant mafia tutoring in public if both are mafia. At the very least, FoU wants Jack to make a case on somebody before they do anything which is lazy.
#239 - Magma insists that FoU posts individual reads to which FoU obliges, also because Jack has made a case on Roden at this point after Jack was on deaths row.
This post is probably the ugliest post FoU makes on Day 1. They hard town read Jack while pushing for a Hedgerow wagon, which ends up being the lynch for Day 1. They weren't even around for End of Day 1 and have little to zero interactions with Hedgerow. Really not trying to solve the game at all. Here are their reads:
Very Town:
EuchreJack. I think this is the one I can afford to hesitate the least on. Euchre is playing like... twitchy, new, inexperienced, kinda skewed town. Odd ideas, but at least trying to put them into practice. Matches the patterns I've seen from a lot of new, less practiced town (as opposed to new, but practiced, town).
Toony. Caveat, I trust my ability to read experienced players not at all, but if I don't at least try to make reads I'll never have any idea (even a poor one) of who the town and scum are. Reasoning, though: Let's set aside the educational stuff he's doing for the new players' game's sake. That's not alignment indicative. There's a platypus controlling me.
[Toony quote]
The way ToonyMan is interacting with the game state feels a little detached, but not necessarily in a bad way. Just like his focus has changed in playstyle from normal, for the sake of the new-player game. There are clearly cases being considered and pursued, just not as aggressively as normal - giving other people their time to shine, as per his 'I will cry if we get a Fal/me/Blu' endgame comment.
Sorta Town:
Magma Mater. Consistent. Like a brick. A positive, well-aimed, brick. Doesn't play like a newbie. Not sure they're judging Toony right, but that's okay. I don't have to agree with every one of someone's points to find them to be town. I like that they attacked me for perceived active-lurking, which is a good point. It's partly a consequence of my schedule (work and school, my oh my), but I'm taking the time to make a few posts now which should help address concerns? If not, then, well... oh well?
prefuzek. Same reasons. Caveat, though. Attacking someone who's producing a bunch of posts without much substantial content may be a good idea, but it could just as easily be 'oh, they're an easy target, let's rank them'. Still, I like it. For the moment.
Neutral:
Roden and Rolan. Roden's particularly focused on setup information, but not entirely, to be fair. And Rolan has... one post? One? I don't like that. Ironically, I must ask that you post more.
Time To Feast Time To Feast Time For You To Be Deceased:
Hedgerow.
EuchreJack is scum for just giving it to Roden over and over again; that much is clear.
Everyone else seems about normal. Can't really complain. Just a regular townie doing regular townie things.
Roden would give the advantage to the mafia though. There's no good reason to put the BP out there and he was sure enough to pin him or his partner as a role.
This tastes really bad. 'Everyone else seems about normal' is just... no? Nothing at all stands out among everyone else? That's a lotta detachment.
BluarianKnight. They're playing like they did in Magic Mafia. I'd vote them, but hedgerow stands out more for the moment.
Strong town reads Jack and Toony.
Weak town reads Magma and Pref.
Null reads Roden and Rolan.
Scum reads Hedgerow and Bluarian, votes Hedge over Blue.
#252 - Pushes Roden up to weak town after Roden claims they weren't planning on keeping their vote on Jack from the start.
Approval of Roden for not planning to stick with their Jack vote and instead vote Hedgerow...
And that's it for Day 1. FoU isn't around for the Hedgerow lynch, which they were a part of. This really reads to me as lazy mafia that approves of the easy Hedgerow wagon since it avoids Jack dying D1. Pref and then Magma both try to push for a FoU wagon instead of Hedgerow, but it doesn't go through.
Overall FoU is very laidback and seems to be serving a mentor role for Jack. Their lack of effort in interacting or solving Hedgerow while also voting for them over Jack makes it most likely FoU/Jack if FoU is mafia. Every other mafia team feels unlikely, FoU/Roden FoU/Pref and FoU/Magma all feels weird and wrong to me. They only have team synergy with Jack in my opinion.The fact both Web and FoU have the highest equity with Jack is interesting to me. I feel like they both have to be of the same alignment, whether that's town or mafia. I think mafia is more likely and that means they're the scum team. Pref's POV would have the easiest time seeing this, but they haven't really been around.
I might do Day 2 FoU next or someone else instead.
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