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Author Topic: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.  (Read 6594 times)

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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #90 on: June 21, 2021, 10:02:33 pm »

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I still think our naval combat debut is best left for a full design.
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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #91 on: June 21, 2021, 10:17:40 pm »

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Artillery Barge: (2) Madman, Thanatos russ
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I don't wanna make max mad, so no artillery please.

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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2021, 12:54:08 pm »

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Artillery Barge: (2) Madman, Thanatos Russ
Witchfire Carbine: (3) Sensei, eS, TricMagic

I don't wanna make max mad, so no artillery please.
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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #93 on: June 24, 2021, 02:47:53 pm »

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This is a version of the Witchfire designed to be as light and compact as possible, for close-in fighting. It fires the new 5x35mm carbine cartridge. The size of the gas system has been reduced (subject to testing/tuning) and the bolt carrier has been drilled out to reduce weight. The barrel is shortened to 250mm and kept light even at that, as accuracy is not a high priority. The pan magazine still holds 40 rounds, but is considerably smaller according to the size of the cartridges. The wooden stock and foregrip are drilled out for weight. The adjustable sights are eschewed for a simple fixed aperture sight which is quick to acquire. If it is ergonomically feasible, the length of the shoulder stock is shortened and the trigger is moved forward somewhat.

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The Witchfire Carbine is...a weapon. It seems we have stumbled upon the same luck that lead to the original model of the R-I-M1900 rifle. For one the new round is...less than hoped and during testing has been found to be significantly underpowered against mock up targets and is unable to penetrate even captured Vornfolk Half-Steel helmets unless fired at point blank range. Due to a combination of a shortened barrel causing high recoil, modified internals causing the constant jerking movement of the pan during firing and plus the outlandish idea that in order to increase compactness and reduce weight the entire stock has been removed and replaced with a grip copied from foreign pistol designs has made the Witchfire Carbine almost uncontrollable in all but extremely short bursts and useless for anything other than close range fighting due to inaccuracy and recoil. Also sometimes due to the holes drilled into the bolt carrier the gun sometimes just goes crazy and dumps its entire magazine, afterwards its been so damaged inside that the weapons is usually dumped by its operator who is forced to scavenge for a replacement firearm or use the current standard issue sidearm, the saber.

All in all the Witchfire Carbine is an ergonomic nightmare of a weapon which recoils so badly its like trying to control a tornado made out of firecrackers which also sometimes goes completely insane and magdumps itself into unusability.



It is now the Design Phase once the battle report has been written.

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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #94 on: June 24, 2021, 03:39:36 pm »

That rifle "conversion" (read: actually a complete replacement disguised as a revision) is probably going to fail, or at least I hope it does.

Anyway, how about a reasonably sane option?

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A variant of the basic Transport Barge with some artillery pieces on the deck, trading troop and equipment capacity for artillery and ammunition stowage. It incorporates a couple of our 120mm howitzers and a quartet of our 75mm howitzers and can use them for shore support or, if you're really, really, really, REALLY desperate, fighting other naval units. It includes tie-down points and a telegraph setup so that it can fly its very own spotting balloon.

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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #95 on: June 24, 2021, 03:56:12 pm »

Tricmagic... that's a revision not a design. So, we wouldn't be voting for it anyway, because it's (almost) the Design Phase...

Also, we won't be voting for designs until we see the battle report.
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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #96 on: June 24, 2021, 03:56:36 pm »

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'Mad Hat' Dreadnought Model A-1903
A dreadnought for the modern era, the Mad-Hat is a breathtaking 70 meters in length and weighs in at a brutal 600 tons.  The dizzying new warship features two cutting-edge triple expansion steam engines amidship, each of which powers a screw on the back to give the ship a truly insane amount of propulsion.  Twin smokestacks jut out from the center, and the con tower is elevated just as high near the fore of the ship.  From here, a firing director can supply the targetting data to the weapons system using rangefinding mirror arrays.  Two Godstrike 120mm artillery guns are positioned aboard the ship; one at the bow, and one on the stern.  They are unshielded to provide the firing crews with excellent visibility, and a pair of winch-based elevators send shells from below deck to above deck.  Four Witchfire LMG's are positioned around the ship; one stern, one bow, one port, and one starboard. 

We expect the Dreadnought to be able to reach speeds as high as 25 knots, and provide off-shore bombardment as well as harassing Duchy shipping lanes.

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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #97 on: June 24, 2021, 09:27:51 pm »

Quote from: 'Agaaryn Tolgoi' Dirigible Balloon
This balloon is considerably than the Tsirk hot air balloons. It is filled with hydrogen, in three cells of treated cotton, all inside a single non-rigid outer casing (the fore and aft are supported in a conical shape by wooden spars). Each lifting gas cell has a ballonet, a smaller balloon inside into which outside may be pumped, filling this reduces buoyancy and emptying it allows the craft to rise. The pitch is adjusted by altering the fore and aft ballonets. Thrust is provided by two four-cylinder automotive engines with reversible transmissions driving propellers, one on either side, mounted high attached to the gondola close to the center of drag. There is also a rudder and elevator control surface. The gondola is constructed of aluminium, and is twenty-five feet long. It is capable of holding a number of passengers, although it ordinarily carries a pilot, engineer, and commander/bomber, as well as up to five tons of bombs. The bombs are, for now, modified 120mm artillery shells. They have a fuze that can be armed by hand, and fin stabilizers.

I'm not sure if I should just be asking for real bombs, but w/e. I'm assuming normally, our artillery shells have a contact fuze which is armed upon firing.
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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2021, 12:58:40 am »

I'm gonna proceed dead on the current course and see if it works!

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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #99 on: June 26, 2021, 01:02:07 am »



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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #100 on: June 26, 2021, 07:07:30 am »



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« Reply #101 on: June 26, 2021, 12:34:41 pm »

Fuses armed by hand, when dealing with 5 tons of 120mm artillery shells, is a bad idea. Have them be armed by, say, a string that is ripped free when the bomb drops out of the airship's bomb bay or wherever it's stored.

I do like the idea of just reusing 120mm artillery shells, it's a good one. 5 tons of payload might be a bit much for our first-ever airship, though.


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The internal combustion engine-driven automobile is a remarkable tool for moving things, like crates. So we've developed a small 1.5-ton truck with an unusually robust suspension system to aid our logistical efforts and begin to displace the horse as the primary tool of the logistics arm of our military. This truck uses an internal combustion engine running on regular old gasoline developed by our own engineering team and produced in our own factories, a first for our nation. In order to do this the engine is made simpler and perhaps proportionally a bit less space-efficient than most engines are, but since it aids in keeping it running and manufacturing it in a country not used to doing so we're pretty sure it'll be worth the trade-offs. Our (new) mechanics will undoubtedly be glad that we've tried to keep the truck easily maintainable and durable, at least.

It's got a flat bed that can optionally be covered, and can carry supplies or troops over its moderate range (for the time). For carrying troops we toss some bench seating in the back.

So some ICE experience might allow us to do an armored car to try and shift the balance of certain theaters, it would also improve our logistics immensely which might just have its own benefits.
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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #102 on: June 26, 2021, 07:25:14 pm »

Alterations bold.

Quote from: 'Agaaryn Tolgoi' Dirigible Balloon (Edit B)
This balloon is considerably larger than the Tsirk hot air balloons. It is filled with hydrogen, in three cells of treated cotton, all inside a single non-rigid outer casing (the fore and aft are supported in a conical shape by wooden spars). Each lifting gas cell has a ballonet, a smaller balloon inside into which outside may be pumped, filling this reduces buoyancy and emptying it allows the craft to rise. The pitch is adjusted by altering the fore and aft ballonets. Thrust is provided by two four-cylinder automotive engines with reversible transmissions driving propellers, one on either side, mounted high attached to the gondola close to the center of drag. There is also a rudder and elevator control surface. The gondola is constructed of aluminium, and is twenty-five feet long. It is capable of holding a number of passengers, although it ordinarily carries a pilot, engineer, and commander/bomber, as well as up to five tons of bombs. The bombs are, for now, modified 120mm artillery shells. They have fin stabilizers, and a pull-ring fuze, where the pull-ring is attached to a carabiner clip and cable on the gondola. Dropping the shells causes the pull-ring to be removed, staying with the carabiner clip.

Updated to include a still-simplistic but considerably safer fuze system, per Madman's suggestion. I'm going to just assume everyone is cool with this.

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Regarding the Crate Mover, I'm wondering what Maxim's policy on "general logistics" equipment is. It may be the case that it only affects the battle reports where it can be directly used on the frontlines (eg towing artillery, moving soldiers) and we honestly might consider being slightly more greedy and going for an armored version right off the bat.
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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #103 on: June 27, 2021, 09:17:24 am »

We might but I'd rather get a nice and easy vehicle up first so our first armored car doesn't need a billion revisions. I will add a note about towing capability for artillery and the like, since I absolutely should have had that in there. I'll also clarify the more tactical uses, like massing troops quickly right before an attack or resupplying guns that are low on ammo faster or whatnot.

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'Crate Mover' Truck: (1) Madman

I'm not going to be sad if the dirigible wins, but I would kind of like to go for an armored car sooner rather than later...oh wait there's automotive engines on the dirigible anyway. Heh. I will be equally pleased if the truck wins or the dirigible wins :P
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Re: Great War Arms Race: Kalcha Confederation. 1900 Revision Phase.
« Reply #104 on: June 27, 2021, 06:35:18 pm »

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Devilpyre HMG Model 03A
13mm of lead sent at a blistering 500 rounds per minute. 

The Devilpyre is a heavy machinegun for emplaced positions.  It is belt-fed, feeding from right-to-left, mounted on a tripod and gas-stroke operated.  A barrel shroud extends past the muzzle, using the exhaust as a means of drawing fresh, cool air past the barrel to slow the rate at which the gun overheats.  The truly most innovative part of the Devilpyre is the quick-change barrel; a lever-operated locking latch can be pushed forward, disengaging the barrel and popping the shroud open.  The barrel can then be dragged out with a short hook, and a fresh barrel can be slotted in place.

Probably not the time for such a design, but I think this is cool
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