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[Mkok]

is it entirely fair to advise people to not buy a game that hasn't actually released yet?

I say you answered yourself. It is never a good idea to buy a game that has not yet released.

[George_Chickens]

While I think it's entirely reasonable to make assumptions about a new game based on the person making it, is it entirely fair to advise people to not buy a game that hasn't actually released yet?

Based on Paradox's recent track record, definitely.

[E. Albright]

Also in all of my attempts to play the AI seemed really dumb, but from what I read around forums it seems I was just unlucky? But the long turn times turn me away from trying another game to find out 

This seems to vary wildly for different players. On the current beta thread there's someone talking about raging and/or getting bored when on turn 190 with 10-20 minors and 5 majors, AI turns are taking a minute and a half to process. Honestly, I feel like they're low-key bragging about how fast things are processing for them, but they're probably sincere...

[Salmeuk]

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it only took 5 pages for the thread to reach it's circlejerk conclusion, nice.

It might be best to only bring up games that someone has genuinely inquired about. Otherwise this thread is just going to be a platform for . . unnecessarily verbose negativity. Which is not a problem in itself, but this is kind of a fan boy minefield where I can only see pain and altercation in the future.

[EuchreJack]

It might be best to only bring up games that someone has genuinely inquired about. Otherwise this thread is just going to be a platform for . . unnecessarily verbose negativity. Which is not a problem in itself, but this is kind of a fan boy minefield where I can only see pain and altercation in the future.

As Public Enemy #1, I'm sorry for my actions and will try to follow this sage advice.  There are certainly other areas those discussions can occur, and if not, an new more relevant topic can be created.

[Yoink]

Advise me not to buy Ancestor's Legacy next time it's on sale.   
Pretty much everything about it looks so incredibly cool, but I almost always suck at RTS-es. Plus, if I bought such a purty game at this stage it would have to be on console, which generally ain't considered the ideal platform for the genre. It's not one of those large-scale clickfests where having a mouse is absolutely vital, I don't think, but still.   

[Virtz]

Advise me not to buy Ancestor's Legacy next time it's on sale.   
Pretty much everything about it looks so incredibly cool, but I almost always suck at RTS-es. Plus, if I bought such a purty game at this stage it would have to be on console, which generally ain't considered the ideal platform for the genre. It's not one of those large-scale clickfests where having a mouse is absolutely vital, I don't think, but still.   

It's made by Polish edgelords who previously made Hatred, so expect the story to be really pro-Potatoland and stupid?

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Advise me not to buy Ancestor's Legacy next time it's on sale.   
Pretty much everything about it looks so incredibly cool, but I almost always suck at RTS-es. Plus, if I bought such a purty game at this stage it would have to be on console, which generally ain't considered the ideal platform for the genre. It's not one of those large-scale clickfests where having a mouse is absolutely vital, I don't think, but still.   

It's made by Polish edgelords who previously made Hatred, so expect the story to be really pro-Potatoland and stupid?

Allow me to jump aboard and say it looks utterly generic. Just a mishmash of different ideas, historical settings, and mechanics from other RTSes blended together in some kind of bland strategy soup. The top review on Steam would seem to agree with that too.........

(Also I will only ever give my actual opinion games, if you want to buy a GOOD rts, I will not stop you)

[Micro102]

I tried Ancestor's Legacy. I hated it. The UI and pathing and combat are all mediocre, and the story is tedious and nonsensical, for example:

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You are breaching a city so you open a hole in the wall. Instead of fighting you at their clear defensive point, they decide that the best course of action for their 30-something units, was to each hide in an individual house and "ambush" you when you pass by. So it turns into you killing a couple of squads, waiting until you are healed, taking a step forward, and killing another 2 squads. Over. And over. And over again.

Play it if you really really want a medieval RTS, but you are probably going to be disappointed.

[Yoink]

I tried Ancestor's Legacy. I hated it. The UI and pathing and combat are all mediocre, and the story is tedious and nonsensical, for example:

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You are breaching a city so you open a hole in the wall. Instead of fighting you at their clear defensive point, they decide that the best course of action for their 30-something units, was to each hide in an individual house and "ambush" you when you pass by. So it turns into you killing a couple of squads, waiting until you are healed, taking a step forward, and killing another 2 squads. Over. And over. And over again.

Play it if you really really want a medieval RTS, but you are probably going to be disappointed.

Okay, I think that anecdote alone is enough to turn me off it. Thanks.    

It's made by Polish edgelords who previously made Hatred, so expect the story to be really pro-Potatoland and stupid?

Hey now, just because you're Polish doesn't mean you can't write a decent story now and then.   

[Starver]

It's made by Polish edgelords who previously made Hatred, so expect the story to be really pro-Potatoland and stupid?

Hey now, just because you're Polish doesn't mean you can't write a decent story now and then.   

Well, there's Stanislaw Lem, I think. (Though, in its various published and adapted forms, Solaris is maybe a bit of a Marmite piece.)

This may be particularly subject to Lem's Law, of course.

[E. Albright]

I think I'd point to The Cyberiad if I was citing a more broadly-appealing Lem work even if Solaris is his best-known work.

Although I'd also point out that from an anglophonic point of view Lem was exceptional in a way that most Polish authors won't be, in that anglophones benefited greatly from Michael Kandel's wonderful work translating Lem. Prose translation is, alas, an art, not a science, and w/o either dual fluency or a partner of Kandel's caliber, we could well be seeing masterful Polish storytelling reduced to edgelord nonsense by poor translation. Probably not, though - there's a lot of bad storytelling throughout all gaming.

[EuchreJack]

Convince me not to buy Two Points Hospital.

It looks interesting, its less than $10, its like a sim that I could never get working on any computer I own.  Why not?

[gimlet]

TPH is actually kind of decent, a nod back to Theme Hospital.   The main faults are that it's really not super deep, and can get kind of repetitive after about 6 or so hospitals.   Still, it's a decent amount of gameplay for the sale price, and if/when you do get the itch to do a few more hospitals the DLC is also pretty cheap on sale (50%+ off fairly frequently).  It's competent but not super, a bit above the average tycoon game but not a great game to replay over and over.

[EuchreJack]

TPH is actually kind of decent, a nod back to Theme Hospital.   The main faults are that it's really not super deep, and can get kind of repetitive after about 6 or so hospitals.   Still, it's a decent amount of gameplay for the sale price, and if/when you do get the itch to do a few more hospitals the DLC is also pretty cheap on sale (50%+ off fairly frequently).  It's competent but not super, a bit above the average tycoon game but not a great game to replay over and over.

Thanks for the info.  I'll have to mull it over a bit.  It was sorta on my radar but too generic for the full price.