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[webadict]

Ah, come on, guys, you don't want me dead. I'm a nice guy. You could even say that

"I am the Engineer."

Would anyone like to take this time to counterclaim me?

[ToonyMan]

@Everyone:
I see that Webadict has done this already, but this is important.

The Engineer and Coroner should come out and claim today. If one of you guys dies at night without claiming that opens up a huge can of worms.

If Webadict is lying I strongly recommend the real Engineer to come out. We can deduce who is real as the game progresses.

And no, I am not the Engineer or Coroner.

@NQT:
What are you going to do to improve your mafia game?

@Jim:
What are you going to do to improve your town game?

@Tric:
Lynch all lurkers? Yea or nay?

@Caz:
Who would you target at night?

[EuchreJack]

Fine.

I am the Coroner.

Now, that sort of paints a target on my back, but probably not a night 1 kill, so whatever.

ToonyMan, why are you trying to get me killed so soon, and the cop engineer too?

[ToonyMan]

ToonyMan, why are you trying to get me killed so soon, and the cop engineer too?

Claiming paints a target on the rest of town's back, Jack.

[EuchreJack]

ToonyMan, why are you trying to get me killed so soon, and the cop engineer too?

Claiming paints a target on the rest of town's back, Jack.

Kinda confused by that.  More explanation would help.

[EuchreJack]

@Caz: You mention no roleflips, yet as long as the Coroner (me) is still alive, there will be roleflips.  What sort of roleflips would the Gnosia kill me to keep from being revealed?

@Tric: You're a simple scumhunter, so you get a simple question.  Do you believe my claim as Coroner? Why/Why Not?

@Jim: What question should I be asking you?

[EuchreJack]

@NQT: Conversely, what roleflips would Gnosia WANT to be revealed, if any?

[webadict]

Hey Vector, are you Gnosia?

I mean, I want to know before I inspect you.

[Vector]

Hey Vector, are you Gnosia?

No, I'm not, but you're a pretty good candidate for the AC follower.

Trying to out the real Engineer for the scumteam to pick off, Web?

[ToonyMan]

@Jack:

ToonyMan, why are you trying to get me killed so soon, and the cop engineer too?

Claiming paints a target on the rest of town's back, Jack.

Kinda confused by that.  More explanation would help.

Okay.

Scenario 1:
Town have a Guardian Angel that can stop a Gnosia kill at night. If an Engineer or Coroner claim goes unchallenged on Day 1 then we can assume the person claiming is legit. The Guardian is going to protect an unchallenged Engineer or Coroner on Night 1 because they're guaranteed town, thus Gnosia have a 50/50 chance of actually getting their kill off on one of them, or they have to go for a human player who hasn't claimed (it's possible they kill the AC Follower by accident which is why I'm not just saying "town player" here).

If Gnosia don't try to kill the unchallenged Day 1 Engineer and Coroner claims then they will eventually be routed, but if they do try to go for the PR kills then the Guardian makes it very challenging for them.

Scenario 2:
The Engineer and/or Coroner claims are challenged by either the real ones, an AC follower, or a Gnosia. In this case we'll have two Engineers and/or two Coroners, but we won't know which one is legitimate. The town doesn't want to lynch the players that have claimed, because if we get it wrong then we'll have a fake Engineer or Coroner lying to us for the rest of the game. The Gnosia can't kill the players who claimed Engineer or Coroner at night because then the other player left alive is confirmed scum or possibly real if the player killed was an AC follower. Gnosia will be trying to figure out who the AC follower is so they don't kill them, but they can't know for sure until at least Day 2 meaning that PR claims are basically guaranteed to survive until the end game when we need to determine who's legit or not.

In other words, town players that haven't claimed Engineer or Coroner will be the targets tonight.

In either scenario it's very unlikely you or Web will die tonight.


@Vector:

Hey Vector, are you Gnosia?

No, I'm not, but you're a pretty good candidate for the AC follower.
Trying to out the real Engineer for the scumteam to pick off, Web?

Sounds like scum logic to me Vector.

[notquitethere]

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Toony, I can only seek to improve my town game in this game. Or learn from the Gnosia I guess.

Jack, I would guess that Gnosia would want to fake claim that Gnosia, or AC follower had died when they hadn't. The latter is particularly dangerous as it could signal to the follower who the Gnosia are. Avoiding the possibility of a fake coroner seems pretty good.

Jim and Bluarian, what do you think of Toony's scenarios?

[webadict]

Hey Vector, are you Gnosia?

No, I'm not, but you're a pretty good candidate for the AC follower.

Trying to out the real Engineer for the scumteam to pick off, Web?

Odd choice of words... You assume I'm the AC Follower but not Gnosia?

I'm claiming specifically because there's no roleflips, there's a Guardian Angel, and because if anyone counterclaims, I can be 100% sure that that person is Gnosia or AC Follower. Additionally, as ToonyMan points out, if anyone counterclaims, I become a whole heck of a lot less killable, so it's very unlikely that I will be CCed.

And if no one CCs me... Then I am proven Town and get to find the Gnosia. Aaaaand I get to inspect the baddies!

Anyway, if we don't freeze Vector, I'm inspecting them tonight.

[TricMagic]

Jack, why do you assume I'm a simple scumhunter?

[EuchreJack]

Jack, why do you assume I'm a simple scumhunter?

Tric, dodging my question I see?

My apologies, you just seem less skilled as a townie than other players, hence the term "simple scumhunter".  Expecting more respect from a newbie, perhaps?

But, since you're not inclined to answer my question, and honestly remind me of how you were playing in Revolution III, I'm happy to announce that I've upgraded you from "simple scumhunter" to "suspected Gnosia".

[TricMagic]

As Coroner, you'd tend to find roleflips.  The sudden shift onto me is way too aggressive given that my question was probing to determine whether I should believe you or not? Did you expect me to say I believe you immediately? Or to say I don't believe you? Both answers are foolish given no counterclaim has been made and not a full 24 hours have passed so far.