BluarianKnight just copycatted all-but-confirmed-scum TricMagic's arguments for why it's web/Toony w/w without any real research, likely because I pointed out significantly good reasons on why ToonyMan's picks are inherently a Townie move to PASS. FoU not passing is super scummy. BK should ALSO be Passing, and it's bizarre that they didn't immediately do so, ALONG WITH DEFENDING THEMSELVES BEFORE THE MISSION EVEN FAILED! They immediately took the defensive without even knowing the result, especially when I pointed out it would indeed point to them being scum. I mean, ANY MISSION YOU ARE ON THAT FAILS IS SCUMMY, WHAT?!
I haven't had too much time to dig in my heels - but this? This feels off.
In short - if it fails, I must be the spy. It's a great case - to push the blame on somebody else. And to prod a spybuddy to fail it to push town into a bad position.
I'm gonna hold my vote for now - it's a goddamn waste to vote early. Save it. Wait until it gets close - or when you'll not be able to, then put it down. Information is worth it.
I'm leaning passing for now - I think we need information. If it fails - NO ONE should be 'confirmed' or 'cleared' of suspicion. That sets a bad precedent where one wrong 'confirmed' can let the spies claim victory.
I think Euchre's a Rebel - very jumpy - but it feels like he's getting back into the handle of things. Not off my list of suspects though.
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I'm personally keeping my eyes on those with the wordy, roleplay filled types - Webadict, that sort, because it gives a lot of chances to slip in messages.
If I had to guess.. It's a Web-Toony-someone else for Spies. Web gave Toony a perfect out for it - I don't think it's FoU, but it could be Web-FoU-someone else too.
This post right here is sheeping TricMagic, the obvscum, calling EuchreJack Town, which is sheeping my argument, and also calling ToonyMan scum. They're literally preemptively defending their failing the mission. If that ain't some scummy shit, I don't even know what is.
Huh - kinda interesting that you removed your original post from this, trying to say I'm 'sheeping'.
My point is still valid - I think you're covering for Toony's ass.
Please provide some proof I'm copying off Tric - I laid my proof out, and I still think my evidence is good work - but you're trying to state I'm copying my work off of Tric - who, from what I've seen, isn't bringing up my points at all? Unless I'm blind - but, again, no proof shown of this accusation.
But, to aid; let me give you the three posts; your original post, my reply, and this final reply.
Bro, You better cool it with the accusations or I’m gonna start singing Justin Biebers “What do you mean” song in your face. But for real, We have no evidence to go on other then suspicions at this point. I personally believe we should at least wait till the end of the first mission to accuse people, But you do you I guess. I just think it would be really easy to accidentally vote for a rebel believing them to be a traitor based on a few misplaced words. I’m just sharing my opinion tho, You can do whatever. But I’m watching you, You seem a little quick to throw out accusations at people. 🧐🤔
Ah, I see your concern here.
I mean, if you're afraid of taking chances, you can try to win off of mechanics alone.
But, you're in the Mafia subforum. We pride ourselves in reading people's words. Every word I write has been meticulously crafted and placed. There are psychological principles at play alongside the mechanics. Who, what, where, when, and whys matter.
So, you should indeed watch me. But, as your Commander, it would be incredibly futile.
@ToonyMan: Because I'm a glutton for punishment, and if I'm wrong, I'd like proof of it. The thing is, you'd never fail the first mission on your own, and FoU would never fail the mission on their own. If you were BOTH Spies, then it would fail, but if only one of you two is a Spy... I don't expect it to fail.
Now, BK? They'd probably Fail it if they're a Spy, so and I'd never expect you to pick BK on your team to duo-Spy in this case. Unless you thought that far ahead... Nah, you'd want to be clear, and you wouldn't know how I'd justify it here in the reverse. You'd only pick yourself and two other Rebels and pass it.
You'd NEVER trust FoU to co-Spy in this case, and especially because FoU would never FAIL it if they were Spy with you. So, I'm forced to conclude that there is at least one Rebel in the group of FoU and ToonyMan.
I'd say that you wouldn't care about failing the missions. You'd be trying to find the Commander. Thus, if the Mission Fails, it only proves you're Rebel.
Bro, You better cool it with the accusations or I’m gonna start singing Justin Biebers “What do you mean” song in your face. But for real, We have no evidence to go on other then suspicions at this point. I personally believe we should at least wait till the end of the first mission to accuse people, But you do you I guess. I just think it would be really easy to accidentally vote for a rebel believing them to be a traitor based on a few misplaced words. I’m just sharing my opinion tho, You can do whatever. But I’m watching you, You seem a little quick to throw out accusations at people. 🧐🤔
Ah, I see your concern here.
I mean, if you're afraid of taking chances, you can try to win off of mechanics alone.
But, you're in the Mafia subforum. We pride ourselves in reading people's words. Every word I write has been meticulously crafted and placed. There are psychological principles at play alongside the mechanics. Who, what, where, when, and whys matter.
So, you should indeed watch me. But, as your Commander, it would be incredibly futile.
@ToonyMan: Because I'm a glutton for punishment, and if I'm wrong, I'd like proof of it. The thing is, you'd never fail the first mission on your own, and FoU would never fail the mission on their own. If you were BOTH Spies, then it would fail, but if only one of you two is a Spy... I don't expect it to fail.
Now, BK? They'd probably Fail it if they're a Spy, so and I'd never expect you to pick BK on your team to duo-Spy in this case. Unless you thought that far ahead... Nah, you'd want to be clear, and you wouldn't know how I'd justify it here in the reverse. You'd only pick yourself and two other Rebels and pass it.
You'd NEVER trust FoU to co-Spy in this case, and especially because FoU would never FAIL it if they were Spy with you. So, I'm forced to conclude that there is at least one Rebel in the group of FoU and ToonyMan.
I'd say that you wouldn't care about failing the missions. You'd be trying to find the Commander. Thus, if the Mission Fails, it only proves you're Rebel.
I haven't had too much time to dig in my heels - but this? This feels off.
In short - if it fails, I must be the spy. It's a great case - to push the blame on somebody else. And to prod a spybuddy to fail it to push town into a bad position.
I'm gonna hold my vote for now - it's a goddamn waste to vote early. Save it. Wait until it gets close - or when you'll not be able to, then put it down. Information is worth it.
I'm leaning passing for now - I think we need information. If it fails - NO ONE should be 'confirmed' or 'cleared' of suspicion. That sets a bad precedent where one wrong 'confirmed' can let the spies claim victory.
I think Euchre's a Rebel - very jumpy - but it feels like he's getting back into the handle of things. Not off my list of suspects though.
BluarianKnight, haven't heard from you yet. Since you'll be the one picking the team if Toony's Pick fails, any ideas on what we might be seeing? Or not seeing?
D1 is vital. We get a double-whammy, we'll be pretty set. If we pass? We're in the disadvantage - we'll have bias on players who might've just bought themselves confirmation. Don't let go of suspicion on anyone.
I'm personally keeping my eyes on those with the wordy, roleplay filled types - Webadict, that sort, because it gives a lot of chances to slip in messages.
If I had to guess.. It's a Web-Toony-someone else for Spies. Web gave Toony a perfect out for it - I don't think it's FoU, but it could be Web-FoU-someone else too.
@TricMagic: Woah, woah, woah. Hold up, you misunderstand.
ToonyMan is town because you cleared them.
As for the rest:
EuchreJack is locktown.
FallacyofUrist is maybetown.
Jim Groovester is null.
Knightwing64 is maybewolf.
Vector is maybewolf.
BK is sheepwolf.
TricMagic is lockwolf.
Why? Easy.
EuchreJack literally exploded their whole mindset out in their one post. Locktown. I'd put them in every mission forever. No joke, there'd be no point to not put them in a mission. I seriously don't know how anyone could possibly think EJ is not Town. It's literally bizarre. Seriously, pocket and lock it.
Dude, stop pretending not to be Spy. Guess it's time for me to role claim.
Role: Rebel. Vanilla Rebel if you prefer. I'm no Commander, no Bodyguard, no Spy.
Insinuating that I'm a Spy reinforces my belief that you're a spy. Lame attempts at roleplay are a bad idea right now. Accurate information benefits the Rebels, inaccurate info benefits the Spies.
Also, any REAL Commander wants his team to be failed, because this conveys to the Bodyguard who is not spies, without revealing that they are the Commander. You are a fake, most likely Spy trying to draw out the real Commander.
Funny thing about Commander: Only two Rebels know who the Commander is, and the three Spies know they're NOT the Commander. Less than half the team is completely in the dark about the Commander's identity. I'm one of those. You COULD be the Commander, but if so you've basically already sold out the rebels by claiming. So no Commander would be so blatant. Probably Spy.
Vector, you ninja'd me. I'll try to refrain from editing my posts. Old habits die hard and all that. Shouldn't Rebels have a reactionary feel?
Jim Groovester, another ninja. Answer: I honestly believe, based upon the last game, that the first team pick should fail. Rebels need more info. Info benefits the Rebels. Lack of info benefits the Spies. Also, should probably point out my n00b status, although I had hoped to avoid that out of some personal shame.
This post is their mind explosion and should read like a frustrated new player spewing Town all over the floor. I've only seen one other player spew Town this hard.
ToonyMan is Town even if they're scum. Doesn't matter. The real point is that if ToonyMan is scum, they're looking for the Commander. And honestly, I don't really see them doing that. I'd also be more apt if they were accusing me of looking for the Commander as well. So, regardless, you should put ToonyMan on a mission. If the mission fails, someone else on that Mission failed it. That easy. If anything, I see them attempting to obfuscate the Commander, but if I post further on that, it'd be hella scummy, so I won't.
FAIL
*looks at Commander notes*
Uh huh, just what I expected from you.
Why should a Mission 1 team be failed? Especially one from me?
The opening posts are well within Towny!Toony meta, and... Makes sense.
FallacyofUrist is weird. I'm literally only putting them up here to spite TricMagic who is the most scummy of all scum players. I don't know why FoU failed their own mission, unless they're on a team with BK. FoU/BK w/w? Possible. But, FoU/TricMagic is for SURE not t/t. TricMagic wouldn't defend their partner that way.
Toony, you idiot. Most WIFOMy play ever. You realize that if we agree you're telling the truth, the spies can just shoot you, right?
FAIL. Of course I'd be happy to have myself on the mission roster like the good loyal rebel I am, but I want to get more info out of this day.
I hate the fail so very, very, VERY much, but this does remind me of Election. FoU tends to be very withdrawn as Town.
Jim Groovester has posted... I didn't even notice, I legit skipped over their posts when I started reading. Wow. If they're not sticking out, then they're probably scum.
Pshaw, why is webadict scum, pshawwww.
And I took that personally.
Knightwing64 posted once and it was such a meh post that they instantly became scummy.
Bro, You better cool it with the accusations or I’m gonna start singing Justin Biebers “What do you mean” song in your face. But for real, We have no evidence to go on other then suspicions at this point. I personally believe we should at least wait till the end of the first mission to accuse people, But you do you I guess. I just think it would be really easy to accidentally vote for a rebel believing them to be a traitor based on a few misplaced words. I’m just sharing my opinion tho, You can do whatever. But I’m watching you, You seem a little quick to throw out accusations at people. 🧐🤔
Very passive. Unable to understand what's going on here. Feels like newbscum. Completely the opposite of how EuchreJack is, and I haven't seen anyone even look in their direction. Super sus.
Vector going all-in on EuchreJack is so incredibly wrong that they should never be put on a mission ever. But, TricMagic didn't defend them hard enough to lock them in. Sorta waiting on how Vector replies.
Web: I'm deadly serious.
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 oh shoot, my retinas detached.
Honestly, I'd put them in maybe-Town if they didn't completely misread EuchreJack, it's such a bad read.
BluarianKnight just copycatted all-but-confirmed-scum TricMagic's arguments for why it's web/Toony w/w without any real research, likely because I pointed out significantly good reasons on why ToonyMan's picks are inherently a Townie move to PASS. FoU not passing is super scummy. BK should ALSO be Passing, and it's bizarre that they didn't immediately do so, ALONG WITH DEFENDING THEMSELVES BEFORE THE MISSION EVEN FAILED! They immediately took the defensive without even knowing the result, especially when I pointed out it would indeed point to them being scum. I mean, ANY MISSION YOU ARE ON THAT FAILS IS SCUMMY, WHAT?!
I haven't had too much time to dig in my heels - but this? This feels off.
In short - if it fails, I must be the spy. It's a great case - to push the blame on somebody else. And to prod a spybuddy to fail it to push town into a bad position.
I'm gonna hold my vote for now - it's a goddamn waste to vote early. Save it. Wait until it gets close - or when you'll not be able to, then put it down. Information is worth it.
I'm leaning passing for now - I think we need information. If it fails - NO ONE should be 'confirmed' or 'cleared' of suspicion. That sets a bad precedent where one wrong 'confirmed' can let the spies claim victory.
I think Euchre's a Rebel - very jumpy - but it feels like he's getting back into the handle of things. Not off my list of suspects though.
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I'm personally keeping my eyes on those with the wordy, roleplay filled types - Webadict, that sort, because it gives a lot of chances to slip in messages.
If I had to guess.. It's a Web-Toony-someone else for Spies. Web gave Toony a perfect out for it - I don't think it's FoU, but it could be Web-FoU-someone else too.
This post right here is sheeping TricMagic, the obvscum, calling EuchreJack Town, which is sheeping my argument, and also calling ToonyMan scum. They're literally preemptively defending their failing the mission. If that ain't some scummy shit, I don't even know what is.
TricMagic is straight up scum. Straight. Up. Scum. Look at their play in Super10. Look at their play in MMMM. Literally some weird gambit opening garbage. This ain't no opening gambit garbage.
I'm a Commander too you know..
Fail. We have no need to do a mission right away, and the mission that takes two spies to fail it would be a good place to earn a point.
Also, I'm going to take an early shot and say that webadict and Vector aren't mafia together, this is very much in line with their normal play when they don't have any information. Which makes putting them on the same team for that particular mission a good thing.
(Toony kinda stole that gambit from me, and given how late it was. Anyway, going to eat breakfast now.)
This whole post is scumtells. Ain't no way Town!TricMagic apologizes for a stolen gambit. The web/Vector comment reads like someone who knows the Mafia and puts suspicion on Vector and me.
Does the commander actually have a list of who is or isn't a rebel? And being so confident makes me think you are a commander or a spy. In the first case, that's not a good thing. In the second, you're lying.
LMAO! THIS GUY ROLEFISHING FOR THE COMMANDER!
I don't wanna bloat this post, so they're all being kept in spoilers, but - to note.
Where's this evidence of me sheeping Tric?You have a bunch of quotes - I know you could dig into me if I was covering him for any reason - but the only thing I can find is this;
BK sheeping TricMagic.
Out of nowhere. Yet now it's something you've pinned out as fact. This bugs the
hell out of me.
I've looked through your posts, Web. You don't have evidence, you got a 'gut read';
@Webadict:
Care to share what this obvious towntell is for TricMagic and why they aren't town in this game?
TricMagic is really easy to read if you know what to look for. If TricMagic is utterly incomprehensible, they're Town. If they're playing carefully right off the bat, they're scum.
It's just that easy.
Vector can back me up on this.
Which, hey - it's fine. But you're tossing me 'sheeping' him - I'm not. I took the post, and ran my thoughts down it - I still hold it to be true. You gave Toony a perfect setup to fail and put the blame on me with your argument, because 'he was too smart to fail D1'.
That's still not being pointed out as a bit strange? But me stating it IS strange.
If I'm sheeping - please point it out, because I'm genuinely not seeing it. If I'm blind, I'd like to see where I'm 'copying' from.
Now, I'm not stating I think Tric is town - fuck that. Catching up, he's playing fast and quick - he's either playing
terrible town, or is burning himself as a spy - or just not good at playing without a mafia-chat.
Don't put him on a mission, clear as that.
Gonna do a respond to anything else shortly, writing this was a bitch - did not look up what Sheeping meant, and it meant scrapping a tirade.