This was just unhinged, bizarro-world reasoning:
As the nominee for my party, I am given security briefings. One such briefing informed me that Caz, the nominee of [NO PARTY NAME GIVEN], is serving our sworn enemy Ellif. Ellif grants their nobility symbolic coins, one of which was found with Caz's dirty fingerprints on it. notquitethere must also have been given one of these coins. notquitethere often breadcrumbs in their opening post as scum, and combining with their wanton attitude this game, it is very likely that notquitethere is therefore the undercover party for Caz, to surrender us to Ellif. Note that notquitethere specifically states that they used a die instead of a real coin to obfuscate their allegiance.
It is very likely that notquitethere will be steadily pushing for Caz, and I believe this will be readily apparent as the game goes on. Of course, I do believe that Caz may attempt to use this to distance themselves from notquitethere.
Therefore, BluarianKnight and FallacyofUrist are the Town voters.
No way is Web town. Therefore, has to be Caz. Blu is backing Web. QED Blu is the traitor voter. I don't think there's anything more to say!
Honestly, I can't see how you see Caz as the 'pure town of justice' vote.
While I agree that the coin thing is.. dumb - it doesn't scream scum to me. The setup is a 5 man, 3 voter 2 coin setup. Everyone's been going off an idea that the scum know each other, but
that isn't correct. However, there is an ally of the traitor among the 3 voters, though they don't know who the traitor is.
So, this implies that the Traitor needs to reach out to the Voter somehow. Web, for what it seems, hasnt attempted to do this to anyone singular.
You and Caz did that right at the start.
My own answer: I have no information yet whatsoever about the candidates, but flipping a coin gives me Caz.
The luckyowl option. Not the strategy I would pick, but at least you flipped correctly.
In this game, it seems once you tell the Traitor-Ally who you are, all you need to do is play town.
This is why I'm leaning Web still, even with him doing a really stupid play.Because based on the evidence, Web just fucking shot himself in the foot - but hasn't proven any scumtells or lean-ins. He doesn't want to manipulate the crowd, and provides arguments based on his opinions.
Caz? Caz just says 'this is wrong', and lets NQT do a lot of arguing for him to save face.
Which seems scum to me.
So, let's make this one easy for you Fallacy...
A: If Caz was Town and it was mentioned in their role PM: Caz wouldn't have argued the coins don't exist.
B: If Caz was Town and it wasn't mentioned in their role PM: Caz wouldn't have argued that the coins don't exist.
C: If Caz was Scum and it was mentioned in their role PM: Caz wouldn't have argued the coins don't exist.
D: If Caz was Scum and it wasn't mentioned in their role PM: Caz would argue the coins don't exist.
A doesn't matter at this point.
B would have argued that I'm lying about having a coin with Caz's fingerprints on it. This Caz has no idea what Ellif is like, BECAUSE I HAVE THE TOWN PM AND IT LITERALLY ONLY SAYS THAT ELLIF IS BACKING THE OTHER CANDIDATE. If Caz had brought that up, I'd question the authenticity of such a coin, NOT whether those coins are a real thing or not.
C would have literally implicated NQT as the ally. This would have been a perfect outcome for me as well because Caz would be fighting against someone who revealed information that they didn't.
D would have known for a fact that Ellif doesn't have coins and that no coin with Caz's fingerprints exist.
This is NQT level. The coins don't exist because you are lying about having secret information because you AREN'T THAT ROLE.
As stated above, I think the coins was a bad play - but this to me the difference. Web was willing to risk because he's trying to find scum - Caz is scum, and all he needs to do is punish the scumhunting to succeed. He doesn't try to fight back with evidence, just saying that Web is wrong. And NQT does all the hard work.
Let's return to the first post I quoted - it was reply to FoU to try to gain info;
This was just unhinged, bizarro-world reasoning:
As the nominee for my party, I am given security briefings. One such briefing informed me that Caz, the nominee of [NO PARTY NAME GIVEN], is serving our sworn enemy Ellif. Ellif grants their nobility symbolic coins, one of which was found with Caz's dirty fingerprints on it. notquitethere must also have been given one of these coins. notquitethere often breadcrumbs in their opening post as scum, and combining with their wanton attitude this game, it is very likely that notquitethere is therefore the undercover party for Caz, to surrender us to Ellif. Note that notquitethere specifically states that they used a die instead of a real coin to obfuscate their allegiance.
It is very likely that notquitethere will be steadily pushing for Caz, and I believe this will be readily apparent as the game goes on. Of course, I do believe that Caz may attempt to use this to distance themselves from notquitethere.
Therefore, BluarianKnight and FallacyofUrist are the Town voters.
No way is Web town. Therefore, has to be Caz. Blu is backing Web. QED Blu is the traitor voter. I don't think there's anything more to say!
Using this frame of evidence is poor choice - because one person is OBVIOUSLY scum, the other person is 100% safe, without any evidence?
Fuck that. That's the line of reasoning that won me Magical Mafia as scum. Either provide evidence with reasoning on why Caz is a better candidate - WITHOUT just relying on 'other person mafia lol', or show yourself as the ally.
I'm holding my vote to Web, FoU, to try to keep some balance - as stated, I think he's made a bad play, but his reasoning is sound, and he's provided reasoning for his claims. Caz.. has been reactive, and his only main supporter has been single-mindedly assaulting his other candidate, while all he does is sit back and simply state 'no, this is bad.', while NQT only says 'web bad vote caz'.