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[4maskwolf]

For the record the reason I say "more efficient" is that the three kills if we go magus first assumes we hit magus first.

Which isn't guaranteed, no matter how clever we think we are.

[ToonyMan]

I mean...mechanically the Dark Magus could be more than just TricMagic, Caz, and IcyTea.

They could be me or Web. It can't be Vector because Web is mechanically clearing them, unless they're both in cahoots (which looks basically impossible).

There's nothing clearing Web and there's nothing clearing me either. We're just cleared behaviorally.

The same way I think Caz and TricMagic are cleared behaviorally.

I understand why you don't want to vote IcyTea even though I'm 99% sure they're the Dark Magus at least.

[4maskwolf]

I mean...mechanically the Dark Magus could be more than just TricMagic, Caz, and IcyTea.

They could be me or Web. It can't be Vector because Web is mechanically clearing them, unless they're both in cahoots (which looks basically impossible).

There's nothing clearing Web and there's nothing clearing me either. We're just cleared behaviorally.

The same way I think Caz and TricMagic are cleared behaviorally.

I understand why you don't want to vote IcyTea even though I'm 99% sure they're the Dark Magus at least.

You also forgot me, I could also be the Dark Magus. In fact I'm more likely than either you or Web because both of you have mechanical reasons not to be magus (web was supposedly RBd and confirmed Vector's role, you have a preestablished alibi for your D1 protect) whereas I straight up don't beyond "eh, maybe toaster inspected me?" which he's not here to confirm or deny.

I also think Icy is the most likely dark magus but I feel like going for the magus today is risking disaster if we miss. Even for me, since it likely means we pop the rune of calamity later and I have a higher chance of just eating shit for no reason.

[Vector]

I agree, and also iterating gives Caz a greater chance to roll up a dream that matches somebody's action, so we can clear 'em.

[Vector]

Hey, ICT's online! Great, it will be nice to hear from them

[Caz]

I just woke up. You guys were busy last night. :L

So it's Bluarian + Lucky + most likely Icytea, right? I don't see how anyone else who was posting could have remained calm with this crap going on.

The rune of calamity is a risk if we don't kill the magus tonight, but the numbers still work out even if it hits town I think. Tbh I agree with 4mask in that the possibility of Blu having a kill (I don't think he's SK, but is it possible they were raised as a role that can kill? Zombie or smt? I don't 100% know how resurrections work here.) Blu already claimed 'lone vampire' which kills after two bites, but no one claimed being bitten? And web was probably blocked by the magus instead due to the flavour? If Blu is actually a lone vampire, where is their block?

Also Dark Magus open-claiming survivor would top pretty much any gambit I've done in the past, and that's saying something. It's a fun take, though.

I want this to be the true ending now

Here's what I'm thinking:
Webadict is probably a real Thief, he was converted by Vector on N1. He knew I was probably a Wizard because he checked me probably on N1? Then he does the factional kill on NQT.
Vector is Dark Magus and is bullshitting a case on Lucky the newb for a lynch on them today. They convert Webadict on N1. They do something else on N2 since Web is performing the kill.
Blue is res'd as a SK Devil and killed Toaster. Why wouldn't Blue just fake-confirm they blocked Webadict? It would be an easy out, doesn't matter what kind of third-party they are. It makes no sense to me...

IcyTea, Caz, and Persus: I need some insight on this. Lucky is impossible to understand, Blue's claims make no sense, TricMagic is super bad, and 4mask just cares about surviving.

I considered Vector/Web but it's a long shot... like how would they know Blu was rezzed as a serial killer? You think Vector came up with a plan on-the-fly N2 after Jim died that they're a dreamwalker and Lucky took the kill except that actually happened? It doesn't make sense really. It double doesn't make sense given Lucky and Bluarian imploding today. So... no.

I'm not saying I believe this is true, but I don't want to get blindsided by how simple lynching Lucky or Blue seems.

Idk, I've seen Lucky literally not read the thread before because he thinks looking ignorant will make him seem townie. But as we can see it literally doesn't work since you can't just shout "its a toony/web scum team" when a player outside that group is confirming you as scum lol. I think Lucky and Blu are just panicking and being bad bc they couldn't handle the stress of continuing to post in the thread all game, decided to lurk all day to avoid suspicion (probably told to, as you said) because when they're actually in the thread it's a garbage fire of contradiction.


Icytea: You want to weigh in on all of this?

[Caz]

I think we have to get rid of Bluarian first. If their claimed role is true someone is going to die tonight from a 2nd vampire bite, and they're mafia covering for Lucky. If they're lying about their role then they're something worse and need to go as well.

[IcyTea31]

Claim

I'm a Sexton. N1, BluarianKnight's grave was disturbed by an uncertain number of players; N2 no graves were disturbed. The N1 result is why I put so much effort into noting that Luckyowl's and BluarianKnight's alignments aren't necessarily linked.


General thoughts

If I remember correctly, it was ToonyMan who first voiced the idea of me being the devil. I'd look askance at players who accepted this without trying to push either me or him.

I'm NQT's Coven Witch buddy. We've been loosely coordinating our play since I replaced in.

Adds up:

Also if I die tonight, I'd just like to say: don't lynch Persus.

Apparently sleeping on the night preceding a weekend leaves people yearning for me.

Re: BluarianKnight as SK: no SK-flavoured kill, and nobody has claimed a successful protection. BK is team scum, if at all.

I'll bite on Luckyowl taking the devil deal and killing Toaster and then lying about both; there's no way that would be true with a town!Lucky unless there indeed are two devils, the other of whom found the convert or something, which would make this game unbelievably (as in, I don't believe it) third-party heavy.

So, let me get this straight. We're claiming that:

Dark Magus blocks Web.
Lucky uses kill on Toaster.
BK uses factional kill on NQT.

Is that right?

One possibility is that web is the DM and used the factional kill, leaving BK possibly innocent if Luckyowl's revival failed. BluarianKnight's behaviour is off, though, so I'm fine with lynching them, especially because as noted by 4mask, being wrong on this and lynching a survivor won't hurt the LYLO clock.


Vector

- Did not deny being the Devil despite being frequently assumed to be such.

I ignored the rolefishing.

- Heavily focused on "lynchableness" D1 rather than looking for scum.

Funny you didn't ask this earlier. By "lynchable" I mean "scummy or anti-town enough that I wouldn't mind lynching them".

- Has been tunneling me all game as scum - or - cop on little evidence, straight out of RVS.

Citation needed on the tunneling part; I've pushed other players. And I still think your prior low-profile play fits the scum-or-cop archetype.

The strategy of low-hanging fruit + tunneling a hard-to-get vet is an optimal low-effort strat. for scum.

I'd like anyone reading this to go through my posts and then try to honestly say that this has been my strategy.

I disturbed the grave but didn't actually try to reach out after all, because I was worried that Blu would rezz scum.

It was less that I didn't want my power role revealed because I thought I would be a scum target, rather I didn't want to help any scumteam PoE a vig or cop by ruling me out.

This makes no sense. You disturbed a grave (took action) but didn't contact BK (didn't take action)?

That's an extremely clever idea, but not one I thought of.

So, the idea would be that someone converts me N1, I disturb Blu's grave, I'm scum for all of D2, I disturb Jim's grave, I get a kill, I use the kill, and my Dark Magus buddy who converted me did the main NK on NQT?

I was going to vote you in this post for lying about communing with Jim, but at this prompt I tried to put it into a timeline:

N1: you disturb Blu's grave, are converted. Jim visits town!LO and LO accepts.
N2: you use the DM kill, the DM blocks web (or web is DM and lies). Town!LO kills Toaster???

Jim's grave wasn't disturbed, so I don't know what you did N2 or why you lie about it, but the only worlds in which you were converted are one where web is the DM and was actually the one Jim visited (which doesn't make sense because Lucky wouldn't claim the offer), or one where Luckyowl picked up the devil's kill and used it on someone he doesn't believe is scum, as town. (Or the one web is looking at, where you could make a deal with a dead devil, but I don't think it's likely.)

If there's a rune of calamity today, webadict's the magus.

PPE: From PM to Meph, apparently devils don't leave bodies and thus don't have graves to disturb. Currently waiting on answer on whether a dead devil can even be contacted, if they don't have a grave.


ToonyMan

I'm very convinced that Luckyowl, Webadict, and NQT are town.

Considering D2, Luckyowl being there is both surprising and unsurprising. After such a tunnel, you can probably read what he ate for breakfast today.

Now that I think about it, I need to ask Meph if a Devil can be converted. He explicity marks Jim as a "3rd party Devil" in the OP.

Why is that relevant, when the flip shows us that it didn't happen?

Here's what I'm thinking:
Webadict is probably a real Thief, he was converted by Vector on N1. He knew I was probably a Wizard because he checked me probably on N1? Then he does the factional kill on NQT.
Vector is Dark Magus and is bullshitting a case on Lucky the newb for a lynch on them today. They convert Webadict on N1. They do something else on N2 since Web is performing the kill.
Blue is res'd as a SK Devil and killed Toaster. Why wouldn't Blue just fake-confirm they blocked Webadict? It would be an easy out, doesn't matter what kind of third-party they are. It makes no sense to me...

IcyTea, Caz, and Persus: I need some insight on this. Lucky is impossible to understand, Blue's claims make no sense, TricMagic is super bad, and 4mask just cares about surviving.

This is a sensible case, probably the only one with scum!Vector, though from what I've understood, Toaster's death flavour doesn't quite match an SK. It still leaves BK as the lynch for today, though.


webadict

I am a dirty no-good Thief. I can confirm that Vector is, indeed, a graverobber. I'd know one anywhere. They cannot be the Dark Magus.

Vector is definitely a Warlock. Vector's claim matches everything I've seen.

Web/Vector is a team I've marked as unlikely, and as there were multiple disturbances on BK N1, I think Vector being a warlock is possible. However, since I can attest Vector did not visit Jim's grave (or anyone's) N2, this would make them the convert performing some other action.

Luckyowl did not use their power to kill me, the person they suspected.

Luckyowl is a bad guy that killed Toaster.

Vote Luckyowl for elimination.

Honestly, that's a pretty Level 1 read if I say so.

This leaves the question of why Luckyowl claimed the devil visit at all.

Okay, here's the only problem with your scenario, Persus: It's either TricMagic, IcyTea31, or Caz.

So, we have to determine which of these three is the Dark Magus. It's a 33% chance to hit.

Could you restate how you've cleared everyone else? TricMagic is unlikely, Caz I agree is possible.

[he]

4maskwolf

Launch blue again and see what role they are.

If they're an SK we take a good hard look at Vector and webadict.

If they're a survivor we've still pushed back the LYLO clock one day (survivors count as wolves for the LYLO clock, a phrase I'm sure I'm not going to regret later) and we just launch Lucky sky-high.

Not a terrible plan due to the LYLO clock point, but the first point is never true.


BluarianKnight

I'm not the SK - nor converted. I said the truth, and I'm being thrown under the bus because of it.

Then who killed Toaster.
Why did you block Toaster last night?

1. No clue.
4. I killed him with a devil's bargain
[/quote]Seriously, this thing again where people say one thing and then immediately contradict themselves. How can you have no clue about Toaster's killer if you're it?


Caz

I considered Vector/Web but it's a long shot... like how would they know Blu was rezzed as a serial killer?

The same way town are looking at that possibility: behaviour. The difference is, they'd know Blu is an SK because in that world they're the scum.

You think Vector came up with a plan on-the-fly N2 after Jim died that they're a dreamwalker and Lucky took the kill except that actually happened?

Could have made that plan backwards at the start of D3.

I think Lucky and Blu are just panicking and being bad bc they couldn't handle the stress of continuing to post in the thread all game, decided to lurk all day to avoid suspicion (probably told to, as you said) because when they're actually in the thread it's a garbage fire of contradiction.

You realize that in the world where Lucky and Blu are told to lurk, they are in fact scum?

Icytea: You want to weigh in on all of this?

See, well, this entire post.

[Caz]

So Vector and Icy's claims contradict each other. Neat.

Meph: Do devils leave corpses?

I disturbed the grave but didn't actually try to reach out after all, because I was worried that Blu would rezz scum.

It was less that I didn't want my power role revealed because I thought I would be a scum target, rather I didn't want to help any scumteam PoE a vig or cop by ruling me out.

This makes no sense. You disturbed a grave (took action) but didn't contact BK (didn't take action)?

How does this not make sense? They actioned to open the link but then didn't post in the quicktopic/PM?, is how I see this. So they could be confirmed by the grave disturbance but avoid being outed, like Vector claims... This seems like a dumbtell Icy.

[IcyTea31]

How does this not make sense? They actioned to open the link but then didn't post in the quicktopic/PM?, is how I see this. So they could be confirmed by the grave disturbance but avoid being outed, like Vector claims... This seems like a dumbtell Icy.

But they knew that Luckyowl, if truthful about being a priest, would disturb the grave anyway, so it wouldn't confirm the action. What's the motivation here?

[IcyTea31]

I suppose it did confirm the role to the Thief, which webadict claims.

[Caz]

Yeah so Icy is definitely the magus. The way it is now teams have to be either Icy/Lucky/Blu or Vector/Web/Lucky/Blu. With a possibility of Blu being a horrible lying scumsiding 3rd party but more likely just horribly lying scum.

And there can only be 2-3 scum, so if anyone is good at counting...

[IcyTea31]

Actually, Vector can confirm me D4 when I can tell which grave they targeted. As you said, that's not something a dark magus can do. This necessitates Vector not being scum, but Vector is only scum in worlds where there are two devils or where town!Luckyowl both lies about accepting a devil deal and uses a kill obtained from it on someone they're not scumreading.

[IcyTea31]

Vector/Web/Lucky/Blu.

How do you get Vector, Web and Lucky/Blu, into a team with a single converter and one converted or double-converted via revive? There's only one scum in the beginning and only one conversion shot.

[Caz]

Vector/Web/Lucky/Blu.

How do you get Vector, Web and Lucky/Blu, into a team with a single converter and one converted or double-converted via revive? There's only one scum in the beginning and only one conversion shot.

You don't, that's the point.