4mask:
Lucky's defense relies on an incredibly tortured interpretation of the facts, if you can even call it that. Meph already more or less stated that if Lucky was converted last night his revive would still have gone through and Blue would have been revived with Lucky doing the revival as a scum priest. Thus, the potential two-for-one people are talking about. So no, the fact that there was likely a conversion last night does not by any stretch of the imagination clear him, although if we are looking at a conversion team it would, imo, clear him from being on the team at start of game for balance reasons.
When you say conversion team do you mean a full cult or a one-shot? I could see a two person scumteam having a priest and a one-shot, especially if its an impious one.
One-shot. I will stake quite a bit on us not looking at a full conversion team, for reasons already stated. I'll get back to your response to me later, I'm at work, I just hopped on to say something to Toony. Your theory isn't bad per se but I'm playing under the assumption that we won't see an out-of-the-blue wolf team setup like that. Let's reduce that from "conversion team means Lucky started town" to "conversion team means Lucky >rand started town".
@4maskwolf:
That's true. I also retract my statement that the Devil should claim, it's better for town if they stay quiet about who they are.
I think only having one townie accepting a deal is good, but I don't see how we can make sure of that. Plus scum would have to risk taking significant loses if every remaining town player refuses deals after the first player accepts.
@Luckyowl:
According to 4mask optimal play would have been to accept the first Devil deal as a townie, why selfishly hold onto your life when we could get rid of two scum after via Devil?
You can't have your cake and eat it too,
Toonyman. You can't one minute ask why Lucky played mechanically proper because he could never do that and the next say demand to know why he didn't make an optimal play. You can't demand to know why someone didn't take an action based on a mechanical strategy devised
after they already took said action, especially when you've already stated that there's no way they could take a mechanically optimal approach without assistance. And your implied take that Lucky wouldn't accept the devil offer because he's a wolf under that strategy shows a lack of thought behind your push because five seconds of thought on it would realize that a wolf would always take the first deal as well under that strategy, because it denies the town the extra ability and the town doesn't know they're a wolf and will refuse any more deals. It also allows them to slip in under the town's radar to get an ability for the wolf team.
Your cases today seem extremely low-effort compared to what you were doing yesterday. Your question to Tric "why did you claim knight" is laughable since you were literally there when it happened and part of the cause of it by insisting he was a werebear. Your case on Lucky is first to sheep me on why he's an optimal target (fair enough, NAI) and then to go on a massive tear about the devil thing where you constantly contradict yourself on your own thoughts on Lucky. I haven't felt the same kind of townie energy that I mindmelded with so hard yesterday. What's the deal?
PPE: Ninja'd on the "wtf was that question" by Tricmagic.