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[Vector]

Reading into the NK is not good B12 meta >:[

[Mephansteras]

The Scribe's Tally Sheet
BluarianKnight: 5: Jim Groovester, juicebox, Luckyowl, Toaster, Vector
juicebox: 3: 4maskwolf, notquitethere, webadict
Luckyowl: 3: BluarianKnight, IcyTea31, ToonyMan
Toaster: 1: Persus13



The Count stands up and raises his hands for silence.

"Day ends, and it is time for you to cast your final votes."

Around the circle you go, names being declared. "BluarianKnight!" "Juicebox!" and so on.

In the end, BluarianKnight has the most votes. The Count looks at them with a somber face.

"And now we shall see how good the judgement of your peers is." He raises up the Book, and reads the words within out loud. You hear them, but cannot recall what they are for even a moment after they pass by your ears.

The lights dim.

The band of runes around BluarianKnight's neck blow a bright yellow, so searing that you must look away.

There is a cry of pain, and the lights return.

BluarianKnight lies dead. The runes on their neck have changed to a charred black, and are words instead of runes.

"Loyal Dreamwalker of the Lands" reads out the Count. "Pity. Darkness wins this day, I am afraid. See that it gets no more footholds, or we may all end like that."

"For now, return to your homes. The Trials begin anew with Dawn's light."




Night has fallen. Send in your actions!

[Mephansteras]

Dawn rises, cold and dim.

Yet the magic of the Trials beckons you back with an unwavering pull.

You return to the tent.

Somewhat to your surprise, everyone else arrives as well.

Even BluarianKnight has somehow managed to return!

The Count seems rather shocked at their appearance, but says nothing about it and simply begins the rites of the day.

The Trial has begun.




Day 2 has begun! It will go until ~5pm Pacific Wednesday.

[Toaster]

I hate cults.



Luckyowl:  Did you bring back BluarianKnight?


BluarianKnight:  Are you still town?



Meph:  If a Town Priest that is Pious (or whatever the term for "would res normally" is converted in the night to another team, what would happen to the res target?

[Jim Groovester]

I hate cults.

I hope you're not right but I fear that you are.

I am looking forward to the rehash of Day 1 that Day 2 is going to be.

[Mephansteras]

Meph:  If a Town Priest that is Pious (or whatever the term for "would res normally" is converted in the night to another team, what would happen to the res target?

Resurrections happen after Conversions, so they would act like a normal priest for that faction.

[Toaster]

Oh good, potential toofer.


Meph:  In the above circumstance, if they were an IMpious priest, would they convert to their team or unleash a third party as in past games?

[Mephansteras]

Oh good, potential toofer.


Meph:  In the above circumstance, if they were an IMpious priest, would they convert to their team or unleash a third party as in past games?

If it goes wrong, it can go wrong in many different ways. But never as intended for the team the priest is on.

[Vector]

I hate cults.

Are you still town?

[Toaster]

Yes.  Started town, still town.


You?

[ToonyMan]

I'm going to bed soon, however there's a few things I would like to say.

First, I wrote down some notes during Night 1. Thankfully, I am alive so I can post it:

(Warning: Strong Language)

Spoiler: Thoughts during Night 1 (click to show/hide)

Fuck Chinese Fire Drills. They make town and scum alike panic (which made me suspect town!NQT for the rest of BYOR15 until they died), I've never seen them hit fucking scum (which should be the whole point), and it makes multiple players claim when they really shouldn't (what if you CFD'd the fucking town doctor or cop at day end? fucking idiots). I give major disrespect to whoever invented this absolutely terrible play. You're seriously turning the day game into an actual lynch mob that have no rational thought and can't process things fast enough as they come in. Fuck you.

*deep breath*

All that aside, after reading the EoD with a calm mind...

Juicebox is extremely shady.

Juice said they would be away for work during the day end. Fair enough, Toaster had a similar excuse (after voting Blue).

The difference is that Toaster never posted the rest of Day 1.

As soon as a Juicebox bandwagon formed (started by NQT), Juicebox is suddenly here and claiming.

Now why is that? My guess is that Juice has actually been following the thread the entire end of Day 1, but chose to lurk in the shadows while waiting for day end. That is extremely anti-town.

I get not being able to post much on your phone at work, but then if you have enough time to be reading the thread an hour before the day ends, why aren't you at least participating even a little bit at all?

Some other reads:

I'm lowering Jim slightly, lowering Vector a lot, and lowering Juicebox a lot.

Jim felt pretty lazy during EoD.

Vector was there, but I really didn't like how much "active-lurking" vibes I got from them. Felt like they were just waiting for the day to end. I also agree with IcyTea that they didn't seem to want a Juice lynch with no reason as to why.

I'm raising Webadict slightly, raising NQT slightly...I'm going to trust Web more and raise Lucky out of scum. I would rather lynch Juice/Vector/Toaster than Lucky today.

4maskwolf and IcyTea feel genuine to me, so staying in "good for town".

Still think TricMagic is town, just bad.

Toaster...slightly up. Here's their last big post for Day 1. Their reads are okay. Case on BK was wrong, but feels genuine? They looked totally willing to vote Juicebox instead. I'm also agreeing with their Vector gut read.

No clue on Persus...neutral.

Would be willing to vote Juicebox, Vector, Toaster, Lucky, and Persus in that order.

Current Reads

Strong Town
Webadict (+1)
Jim Groovester (-1)

Weak Town
TricMagic (0)
IcyTea (0)
NQT (+1)

Neutral
Persus13 (0)
Luckyowl (+2)

Scum
Toaster (+0.5)
Vector (-2)
Juicebox (-3)

Third-Party
4maskwolf (0)

Nobody died so I don't need to cross anybody out, although we have Blue back now.

In summary after rereading...

1. I trust Webadict more, so I'm bumping Lucky out of scum for now.
2. I'm seriously suspicious of Juicebox and Vector's play at the end of Day 1.

My gut feeling is that Toaster and Juicebox are scum with a third being between...Lucky/Vector/Persus.

Second, some questions:

Juicebox, can you explain why you were actually reading EoD when you said you would be away? What did you see last night as a Dreamwalker?

Luckyowl, what happened last night? Did you res Blue?

Blue, how was last night? Are you still a Dreamwalker?

I hate cults.

A conversion is very possible last night. This kind of situation happened in Supernatural 7.

For reference, in Super7 I thought that Jack AT blocked the kill on Night 1, but what actually happened is that the Dark Magus converted Toaster. Toasted was inspected as town on Night 1, but conversions happen after inspections.

There's a chance the kill was prevent (for example, somebody redirected the kill onto TricMagic). But we would need somebody to claim if they're sure. There's also a chance that Lucky was protected from the kill.

I'm also fine with checking/lynching Lucky today, if Lucky flips town then Blue is either town or third-party right?


PPE:

Oh good, potential toofer.
Meph:  In the above circumstance, if they were an IMpious priest, would they convert to their team or unleash a third party as in past games?

If it goes wrong, it can go wrong in many different ways. But never as intended for the team the priest is on.

Oh. Great. Never mind what I just said.

I hate cults.

Are you still town?

Vector, I feel like you've been active-lurking. Your posts during the end of Day 1 leave me with a bad taste.

[Vector]

Yes.  Started town, still town.


You?

Indeed, started town, still town.


Toony, I've mentioned multiple times why I thought BK was suspicious, starting way towards the beginning of D1. I agree that Juicebox looks awful but I wasn't going to budge off of a self-voter.

Additionally: you don't like CFDs and you're attacking me for refusing to CFD? Yeah ... sure ... cool ...

It's late here. I'll probably lurk the thread a little but I need to do a reread. And watch another combinatorics lecture.

[webadict]

Wow, checked forums before going to bed, of course Day starts now.

I would prefer we pressured juicebox. I'll have more tomorrow.

[Jim Groovester]

I reread the end of day. I'll poke at some stuff I don't really care about just to get things going.

A bit lost since infoless nights are hard to work with.

Interesting that as far as I can see, Juicebox has never attended to my attacks against his character. Aside from being relentlessly defended by Jim, what does he have going for him?

I feel like I haven't said much about juicebox so I don't see how anything I've said in his favor could be viewed as relentless.

Jim felt pretty lazy during EoD.

I was playing Stellaris while the deadline was passing, because two hours before the deadline I assumed (incorrectly) that the day would pass quietly with a Luckyowl lynch and I decided to play a video game. I forgot about the thread for two hours and checked it only minutes after the deadline passed.

In BYOR15 I was absolutely lazy but I was also scum. This game I just wasn't around.

[notquitethere]

So we're most likely dealing with Vampires, Charismatic Cult, or Dark Magus. For reference: vampires become slaves and lose their town roles, cultists keep their town roles (except monster hunter now?) and Dark Magus can convert as a one-shot, and then has a factional kill. So what happens tomorrow, and whether people who have confirmable roles can keep confirming them will maybe clue us in.

Overall, the least suspected players yesterday, in order, were:

Very not lynchable
1. Jim
2. Toony
Not Lynchable
3. Web
4. Vector
Everyone else...


If there was a conversion, the conversion probably happened in this pool. Everyone else is much more lynchable. That all said, we actually want to lynch the converter as a priority. Let's assume the converter is someone moderately suspected from outside this pool:

Toaster -  Unknown
IcyTea31 - Unknown
--
juicebox - claimed dreamwalker, let's see if they follow through on a dream
Persus13/Secretdorf - highly unlikely due to lynch composition
notquitethere - not me
TricMagic - mess of fakeclaims but probably not the converter because of it
BluarianKnight - confirmed dreamwalker
Luckyowl - confirmed priest (though I suppose there could be another priest in the scum team that he's claiming over)
4maskwolf - third party

We'll all be kicking ourselves if Toaster is evil in this game again. Why shouldn't we eliminate you, Toast?

(But don't think I haven't forgotten about you Juice, let's hear that report.)

I feel like I haven't said much about juicebox so I don't see how anything I've said in his favor could be viewed as relentless.

Maybe "relentless" was too strong, but you did defend him three times so I wasn't imagining that:

Spoiler: Jim on Juice (click to show/hide)

Literally anyone, does anything Juicebox has come out with make sense from a town POV?

I don't have a good read on his meta but nothing he's produced screams too terribly at me.

What part of juicebox's ten or whatever posts makes you think he's desperate, or are you just joining a wagon?

I checked your posts and the juicebox suspicion doesn't come completely out of left field though I don't follow the development of your suspicions on him. The characterization of juicebox as desperate bothers me, since even if he's low activity he seems unflappable.