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[BluarianKnight]

Bit late to pull that gambit blue, how about a case instead?

What gambit is that? You self-voted as town last game we played, can you explain this?

Every move I've made has led me to be more scum. I am.. willing to put myself out of the equation.

I'll put my claim down now. Dreamwalker.

Why is putting yourself out of the equation at all a good move for your team? If you're town, it wastes the lynch. If you're scum, it wastes a scum player.

If this isn't some sort of ploy, this is a terrible first impression for a new player.

I've just made a lot of poor plays. I know why I look scum.
 Maybe it was my confidence from Vengeful- I've learned a lot from this, and I'll make sure to avoid my previous mistakes.

Sorry for being a bloody mess, town. I'll do better next time, I swear.

Oh, an emotional appeal. Fuck you, do better this time.

So werewolf team need luckywolf to be alive to res someone for the team, so Blue the leader is stepping in to stop LO lynch. Blue dies, kills a randomer, Lucky raises the random to their team? Not great, but better than being one down with Blue possibly soaking an nk N1.

Makes sense but that's a lot of assumptions. I think this world would put the third scum as one of the veterans, because LO would definitely not make that plan, and I'm doubtful of BK.

Fuck it, you're right.

I also see I don't get revealed by lynch, so.. yeah, you're right.


Luckyowl

[BluarianKnight]

Give me a chance - if by D2 you don't see town, then go ahead and lunch me.

[ToonyMan]

@IcyTea:

Re: NQT vs. Tric
It's a little sad that I can believe Tric doing a weird doublebluff claim play like that. From what I can gauge of emotional states in the spat, both of the two seem to be genuine. Tric seems honest about being a knight, maybe even a town knight when combined with past plays, and NQT is rightfully mad about the misplay. Town points to both, looks v/v to me.

I think you mean me here and not NQT??

Every move I've made has led me to be more scum. I am.. willing to put myself out of the equation.
I'll put my claim down now. Dreamwalker.

Why is putting yourself out of the equation at all a good move for your team? If you're town, it wastes the lynch. If you're scum, it wastes a scum player.
If this isn't some sort of ploy, this is a terrible first impression for a new player.

Hah.

IcyTea saying self-voting is terrible. I agree, of course.


@Blue:
Chill. A leveled-head sees all.

[4maskwolf]

Bit late to pull that gambit blue, how about a case instead?

What gambit is that? You self-voted as town last game we played, can you explain this?

In fairness so did you.

4mask, I'm trying to work out what possible scenario would lead Blue to implode and self vote after almost no provocation. Can he not count? He wasn't going to be lynched. Why throw in the towel? I don't see the town reasoning.

But yeah I might be overthinking. I'm just entertaining scenarios here. What do you mean by ATE?

I seem to remember someone miscounting the votes on him and panic-using a powerful one-shot as town in a previous game. A played significantly more veteran than Blue is.

That aside, what I'm talking about is the way some newer players react in situations like this, when they feel, rightly or not, that their death by the town is inevitable. Some players will, at that point, assume they're done for and essentially concede, regardless of their own alignment, and acknowledge the ways they screwed up that game. Sometimes purely seriously, sometimes as a final gambit to try and evoke sympathy and get out of the wagon, sometimes both.

Give me a chance - if by D2 you don't see town, then go ahead and lunch me.

Give Smith one more day wait wrong forum.

[notquitethere]

Jim, ah yes, sacrifice to save the converter. That could work. I mean a scum priest is kind of a converter anyway, so he could just be a slave without powers sacrificing for the team?

Blue, wait what, why don't you reveal on death?

[4maskwolf]

If my memory doesn't fail me blue did set up the dreamwalker claim earlier, he came into the thread to see Vector's question of how dreamwalkers worked and asked if anyone had claimed it.

Doesn't mean anything for his alignment specifically but I'm inclined to believe the claim.

[BluarianKnight]

Jim, ah yes, sacrifice to save the converter. That could work. I mean a scum priest is kind of a converter anyway, so he could just be a slave without powers sacrificing for the team?

Blue, wait what, why don't you reveal on death?

I assumed it isnt revealed due to the revival powers- do folks get revealed on death? I didn't see it in the rules.

[Jim Groovester]

Supernatural has roleflips.

[4maskwolf]

Jim, ah yes, sacrifice to save the converter. That could work. I mean a scum priest is kind of a converter anyway, so he could just be a slave without powers sacrificing for the team?

Blue, wait what, why don't you reveal on death?

I assumed it isnt revealed due to the revival powers- do folks get revealed on death? I didn't see it in the rules.

Reveals happen on death, yes. However, due to the possible presence of revival magic there is no deadchat.

[Vector]

If my memory doesn't fail me blue did set up the dreamwalker claim earlier, he came into the thread to see Vector's question of how dreamwalkers worked and asked if anyone had claimed it.

Doesn't mean anything for his alignment specifically but I'm inclined to believe the claim.

Yes, I noticed that too and assumed that was what they intended to claim.

[BluarianKnight]

Jim, ah yes, sacrifice to save the converter. That could work. I mean a scum priest is kind of a converter anyway, so he could just be a slave without powers sacrificing for the team?

Blue, wait what, why don't you reveal on death?

I assumed it isnt revealed due to the revival powers- do folks get revealed on death? I didn't see it in the rules.

Reveals happen on death, yes. However, due to the possible presence of revival magic there is no deadchat.

Thank you for the clarification.

[notquitethere]

I seem to remember someone miscounting the votes on him and panic-using a powerful one-shot as town in a previous game. A played significantly more veteran than Blue is.

That aside, what I'm talking about is the way some newer players react in situations like this, when they feel, rightly or not, that their death by the town is inevitable. Some players will, at that point, assume they're done for and essentially concede, regardless of their own alignment, and acknowledge the ways they screwed up that game. Sometimes purely seriously, sometimes as a final gambit to try and evoke sympathy and get out of the wagon, sometimes both.

Good point, end of day panic, posts appearing quicker than you can react to can mean drastic moves... And yes, some players do throw in the town and self-vote, I've seen that before. But, I dunno, it seemed particularly unforced this time.

--

Maybe the Dark Magus doesn't flip the first time? I'll have to check.

[IcyTea31]

The spontaneity of the surrender is really, really weird. BK was barely on the block, and not the current topic of discussion. I can't really think of a scenario where it's sensible play, other than NQT's suggestion of it being to protect LO.

Bit late to pull that gambit blue, how about a case instead?

What gambit is that? You self-voted as town last game we played, can you explain this?

Fuck it, you're right.

I also see I don't get revealed by lynch, so.. yeah, you're right.


Luckyowl

That was a question, not a pep talk. Please answer.

@IcyTea:

Re: NQT vs. Tric
It's a little sad that I can believe Tric doing a weird doublebluff claim play like that. From what I can gauge of emotional states in the spat, both of the two seem to be genuine. Tric seems honest about being a knight, maybe even a town knight when combined with past plays, and NQT is rightfully mad about the misplay. Town points to both, looks v/v to me.

I think you mean me here and not NQT??

Nah, I meant posts like this one:

Do you understand that Tric? Tell me the role name.

For NQT's standards, that's anger.

Hah.

IcyTea saying self-voting is terrible. I agree, of course.

Hey now, I'm not saying it's always terrible. Surrendering is, however. My self-vote in BYOR15 wasn't a surrender.

In fairness so did you.

Yeah, but this isn't that gambit, which is why I'm asking.

Sometimes purely seriously, sometimes as a final gambit to try and evoke sympathy and get out of the wagon, sometimes both.

The issue is, there wasn't really a wagon at the time.


Fuck it get this post out, reading more as they come.

[ToonyMan]

Maybe the Dark Magus doesn't flip the first time? I'll have to check.

Their rolename flips at least.

Dark Magus doesn't start with any allies, but they do have a one-shot convert.

[notquitethere]

While checking up on the Dark Magus flip situation, I did see this gem from game 7:

I have no idea if this is any more cantankerous than a regular mafia game.

And no, even the Dark Magus with the self-resurrection flips:

  The man simply smiles for a bit. Then he gets a concerned look on his face, and his eyes glaze over. Moments later, he falls to the floor. The High Priest, looks down at his lifeless body. "We have found our Dark Magus, my friends! And yet, it seems he was not without allies. I sense that we are still in danger..." his voice trails off.

Persus13 is already inside when you get there, a smirk on his face.