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Author Topic: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Spring, 1896, Revision&Refit Phase.  (Read 19479 times)

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I can get behind that.
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I edited slightly, to explicitly call out the ships Working Up. More for my own peace of mind than anything else.

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Winter, 1896, Design Phase.

Despite the slander the socialists have stated about our navy, many of their claims are ridiculous, with the Pompey Magnus, Marcus Antonius, Virgil, Clodius, Lepidus and Brutus all still afloat, if damaged fairly badly. Despite this, the brave action in the west has undoubtedly bought our men more time to form a counter attack or at least keep our foot hold on the island for some time. The east however needs further action if we wish not to be pushed back into the sea. Though this is likely quite obvious. Regardless, the war situation looks good as ever, with the so called workers navy only really proving to be a thorn in our side rather than a proper threat, especially given such over blown claims such as the ones they are throwing out. Even better, we still have two battleships ready to go now that the Germanicus and Constantine are finished working up, and if we so desired we could drown them in a fleet of our glorious battleships right now if we so chose.

Thanks to ex admirals and captains in government, we have been granted 4 more Production points for the war effort. Maybe we can spend some on upgrading the rations.



It is now the Design phase of Winter, 1896. You have 8 dice remaining.

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« Last Edit: June 08, 2022, 02:53:47 pm by piratejoe »
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Winter, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #273 on: June 08, 2022, 09:45:06 am »

Okay, so. We have 8 dice and 37 PP, and 2 support projects underway.

I would like to put 2 dice and 4 PP into each current project (4 dice and 8 PP total), and spend the final 4 dice on a new ship class. That would put off our proposed torpedo-bulge Refit for the Pompey Magnus, but we don't need that until next turn when they are worked up.

I'm thus debating between a new ship for our enlarged Dry Docks, or a smaller ship. I like the idea of a Motor Torpedo Boat, as this is the first season we've lost any Cruisers and that coincides with them now closing to torpedo range.

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Winter, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #274 on: June 08, 2022, 03:03:43 pm »

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Magnus Invictus-class Battleship
Based on the design of the Pompey Magnus-class battleships, the Magnus Invictus-class takes the original design and hangs it out to dry a bit too long. It's a lengthened version of the Pompey Magnus which moves at 21 knots instead of 18. While we have retained the two twin 12" turrets this design has removed the 3" turrets entirely and replaces the 5" open-mount armament with 6 twin shielded 5" gun mounts as found on the Lepidus-class, with one superfiring over the aft turret and one superfiring over the fore turret, the other four in pairs next to the fore and aft superfiring turrets, where their lack of huge magazine spaces directly under the turrets means they won't interfere with the machinery underneath them. This does limit end-on fire but that is an acceptable compromise for keeping the beam shorter.

The ship retains the modernized Pompey Magnus class's armor scheme in its entirety, using many of the exact same plates as the original (such as the turrets, which are completely identical to the original battleship's) and the rest made to the same thicknesses and with the same machining and tempering. It also retains components as the masts, bridge layout and superstructure, and the structure of the magazines underneath each gun turret, amongst a great many other similarities. As before, the main structural elements of the ship are the tougher Composizione B alloy, as is the bridge tower and the masts.

The hull is lengthened to give the ship a finer width-to-beam ratio and extra space to install additional machinery to propel the ship faster. We've used our experience with making and working up over a dozen battleships of the predecessor class to refine the entire ship, from internal layout to turret mechanisms to machinery. This has saved weight in every section and component of the ship. It isn't revolutionary, but rather evolutionary.

The machinery is similarly evolved with a thousand incremental improvements across the entire powerplant, providing some more power on less weight and in a smaller footprint. More importantly, the added length of the ship gives more space for the addition of more of the newly improved machinery, adding the power needed to push the ship's speed up by three knots.

The only revolutionary component of this design, and indeed the only part not derivative of our older work, is the new torpedo defense system. It is well-known that torpedoes are not bothered much by hull plating or thin armor, nor is it reasonable to armor the ship from the waterline down to the keel, so instead we're going to let empty space do our work for us. Well, not empty space, it's actually still full of air. By adding bulges to the sides of the ship we can prevent torpedo hits from breaching the ship's citadel. These extend from below the main armor belt to the bottom of the ship and extend from just ahead of the forwards citadel bulkhead to just aft of the aft citadel bulkhead. These bulges are full of air and are constructed just heavily enough to set off a torpedo. The air layer forms a void in which the explosion can be dissipated. These are tested against mock torpedoes of the estimated size of the enemy's torpedo warheads, to ensure that they are as thin as possible while still performing the designed function.

As previously, weight is kept below the new 12.5k ton limit we now enjoy.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2022, 09:47:55 pm by Madman198237 »
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Winter, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #275 on: June 19, 2022, 04:34:10 pm »

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(1) Magnus Invictus-class Battleship (4 dice) + progress Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence  (2 dice) + Wireless Telegraphy Research Grant (2 dice) : Kashyyk
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Winter, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #276 on: June 19, 2022, 05:31:40 pm »

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(2) Magnus Invictus-class Battleship (4 dice) + progress Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence  (2 dice) + Wireless Telegraphy Research Grant (2 dice) : Kashyyk, Madman

Inspiration has deserted me so eh let's just do this cool new battlecruiser.

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Winter, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #277 on: June 19, 2022, 06:16:06 pm »

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Winter, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #278 on: June 19, 2022, 06:31:37 pm »

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(3) Magnus Invictus-class Battleship (4 dice) + progress Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence  (2 dice) + Wireless Telegraphy Research Grant (2 dice) : Kashyyk, Madman, m1895, TricMagic
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Winter, 1896, Design Phase.
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Magnus Invictus-class Battleship
Based on the design of the Pompey Magnus-class battleships, the Magnus Invictus-class takes the original design and hangs it out to dry a bit too long. It's a lengthened version of the Pompey Magnus which moves at 21 knots instead of 18. While we have retained the two twin 12" turrets this design has removed the 3" turrets entirely and replaces the 5" open-mount armament with 6 twin shielded 5" gun mounts as found on the Lepidus-class, with one superfiring over the aft turret and one superfiring over the fore turret, the other four in pairs next to the fore and aft superfiring turrets, where their lack of huge magazine spaces directly under the turrets means they won't interfere with the machinery underneath them. This does limit end-on fire but that is an acceptable compromise for keeping the beam shorter.

The ship retains the modernized Pompey Magnus class's armor scheme in its entirety, using many of the exact same plates as the original (such as the turrets, which are completely identical to the original battleship's) and the rest made to the same thicknesses and with the same machining and tempering. It also retains components as the masts, bridge layout and superstructure, and the structure of the magazines underneath each gun turret, amongst a great many other similarities. As before, the main structural elements of the ship are the tougher Composizione B alloy, as is the bridge tower and the masts.

The hull is lengthened to give the ship a finer width-to-beam ratio and extra space to install additional machinery to propel the ship faster. We've used our experience with making and working up over a dozen battleships of the predecessor class to refine the entire ship, from internal layout to turret mechanisms to machinery. This has saved weight in every section and component of the ship. It isn't revolutionary, but rather evolutionary.

The machinery is similarly evolved with a thousand incremental improvements across the entire powerplant, providing some more power on less weight and in a smaller footprint. More importantly, the added length of the ship gives more space for the addition of more of the newly improved machinery, adding the power needed to push the ship's speed up by three knots.

The only revolutionary component of this design, and indeed the only part not derivative of our older work, is the new torpedo defense system. It is well-known that torpedoes are not bothered much by hull plating or thin armor, nor is it reasonable to armor the ship from the waterline down to the keel, so instead we're going to let empty space do our work for us. Well, not empty space, it's actually still full of air. By adding bulges to the sides of the ship we can prevent torpedo hits from breaching the ship's citadel. These extend from below the main armor belt to the bottom of the ship and extend from just ahead of the forwards citadel bulkhead to just aft of the aft citadel bulkhead. These bulges are full of air and are constructed just heavily enough to set off a torpedo. The air layer forms a void in which the explosion can be dissipated. These are tested against mock torpedoes of the estimated size of the enemy's torpedo warheads, to ensure that they are as thin as possible while still performing the designed function.

As previously, weight is kept below the new 12.5k ton limit we now enjoy.
Effectiveness: 2 | Cost: 6 | Bugs: 5 | Time: 4+1

The Magnus Invictus Class Battleship is, in whole, quite similar to the old Pompey Magnus. In fact, one could argue that it is a larger, more streamlined version of the Pompey Magnus. It has improved machinery utilizing improvements and greater engine space to provide better speed. This has come at a cost, namely that of the crew quarters which are quite cramped, and the extensive machinery while simple to assemble, is hard to keep in perfect condition and even minor damage to the engine will result in a noticeable reduction of power. Further, the engines are a sizable target and, if any shell gets past the coal bunkers and the main belt, it will likely be ripping into the machinery spaces. Other than this, the double turreted secondary's are somewhat slower than what single mounts would be, and slower to reload due to more difficult access to munitions to reload. Finally, the ship is slightly overweight. Despite this, other than the engine when pushed, everything works as it should, and given the cost of the ship thanks to streamlining, it's more or less a straight upgrade of our existing ships, all be it taking a bit longer to make.

Costs 7/2, 7 season construction time.


Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence (2 die spent. 0 rushed)

3+1+3=7

Work on the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Tracom of maritime excelence's main building and the surrounding facilities have progressed smoothly. The main portion of further work is mostly the gathering of the supplies needed for the training, the proper personnel, organization of courses and setting up a proper barracks for the sailors and officers who will be attending. Other than the construction of the barracks and initial organization, the only thing that needs to be worked on is the extension to the military port nearby the training center. The extension of the docks is the thing likely to take the most amount of time, but after everything else should fall into place nicely and swiftly.

Wireless Telegraphy Research Grant (2 die spent. 0 rushed.)

2+6+6=14

Further work on the wireless telegraph has taught us quite a bit about the knowledge of broadbands, radio waves, and the nature of receivers. Along with the nature of amplitude modulation. In essence, a signal with information is mixed with a carrier signal in a way that causes the amplitude of the carrier to vary at the frequency of the information signal. While this sounds fairly complex, and it is not understood too well yet by our researchers, it is a very solid step, and testing with these frequencies so far has gotten some results in lab environments. Though, issues persist with attempts to get communications to actually be picked up by range, and simply increasing the modulation isn't working... Still, extensive progress has been done thus far. 



Revision phase will be skipped due to lack of dice. Feel free to discuss strategy and buy plans.

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Something something, pretend this is a Revision post.

...Nah, let's be sensible. Have some deployment thoughts.


The Battleships Germanicus and Constantine have finished working up, and five other Battleships are working up this turn, meanwhile our two extant Battleships need repairs, so we could be Conservative and cover the gap with our two newly ready ships, but that may tip our hand about having a new Fleet on the horizon.

On the Cruiser side, we have 5 ready, 4 damaged and 1 working up (although it was also working up last turn, so that may be an admin error). We're a little light on ready ships right now, as Veenland likely have more ready than us, before we add any completed production.

So, I think we should keep all ships together in a single theater this turn, and aim to cement a few ground combat victories.

We also have 29 PP which does not split evenly between our current build options. I would prefer more Cruisers personally.
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Actually we can do 5 cruisers (25) plus dockyards expansion start which IIRC we need to do this turn.
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Winter, 1896, Revision & Refit Phase.

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It is now the Production&Strategy phase of Winter, 1896. You have 29 PP remaining should you pay for all maintenance and construction costs.

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So... guess we should do a thing.

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Production
Continue supporting/building all current ships
Begin work on 5 Cruisers. I haven't got names yet.
Begin expanding the Dry Docks again

Deployment

Form the Primary Fleet from:
Cruisers
Vettius, Curio, Vitellius, Cato the Younger, Horatius

Battleships
Germanicus, Constantine

All other ships continue Repairs/Working Up as necessary

Primary Fleet deploys to the Western Archipelago to deny any second attempts at Marine assault, supported our own, and to generally make Veenland military life short and unpleasant.

Magna Marines are to push forward on all available avenues in the Western Archipelago, supported by Army troops. Central and Eastern Archipelago units are told to hold ground.

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