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Author Topic: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Spring, 1896, Revision&Refit Phase.  (Read 19476 times)

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Add More Guns That'll Solve It: (2) Madman, m1895
Both Sides: (2) Kashyyk, TricMagic
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Add More Guns That'll Solve It: (2) Madman, m1895
Both Sides: (3) Kashyyk, TricMagic, SK

I will go with Both Sides strategy. Sending a bunch of marine transport ships alone without escort sounds like a good way to lose them if we roll bad on which side the enemy plans to attack. Having some fast CLs escorting them and scouting should keep interception and pointless losses lower.
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Autumn, 1896, Design Phase.

While some setbacks on the central front have occurred, the disaster in the west has been stalled if not halted completely, and the east which was looking like a potential quagmire for the marine forces seems to have a far greater chance at success before. Further, it won't be long until far far more ships are launched and the Veenlandic forces are forced to submit to our superior navy. Still, it would be far better if those ships were active now rather than later, and there will still be the time for working up that those vessels have to have. Though, some of the more aggressive admirals think it might also be worthwhile to skip some of that training and just use the sledgehammer of our numbers as soon as it is available and essentially end this war.

Thanks to our efforts, we have been granted 6 more Production points for the war effort. Make it count.



It is now the Design phase of Autumn, 1896. You have 7 dice remaining.

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Autumn, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #258 on: April 13, 2022, 01:27:31 am »

Alright, let's get some random garbage up so we can at least vote on something.
We have 7 Dice and 43 PP to work with, with only one (1) ((uno)) project underway.


Bambino Tuono-Class Torpedo Ram
A masterstroke of engineering prowess and a blindingly brilliant forward thinking aspect of our admiralty for the upcoming naval doctrines this world is sure to see. A clear solution for coastal defense, countering enemy capital ships, and fending off similarly sized torpedo rams from accomplishing their own directives.

A small vessel with minimal armor designed to deliver one massive alpha strike against any vessel regardless of size or protection.
Armed with one slightly modified SM1895 Torpedo attached to the only armored part of the ship, the ramming prow. Thanks to the nature of the ramming ship enabling a 100% hit rate with the torpedo should it be armed and fired, we can remove all the excess and unnecessary guiding and steering mechanisms to shove more explosives into the payload. A double gunned 2" turret also adorns the deck for a degree of covering fire or to fend off enemy torpedo rams from their own ramming maneuvers.
The vessel is powered with our own Magna make steam turbines to get the Bambino Tuono to bare as fast as possible.


Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence
A state funded crew-training center (read, boot camp) named in honor of the late Corbiniano Ugolini for his duties to his men and to his nation.

Magna Mongadizafra has always had a history of naval supremacy, an in-built call to the seas as it were. With our advanced gunnery courses, our sailors have always had a way to express themselves to the enemy with a preternaturally accurate salvo of cannon fire. However, with the advancement and call for additional damage control and potentially other future training courses our ships' crews will need to perform, this natural talent must be honed and tempered with experience and training. Thus, the creation of a centralized and dedicated institution of learning the ropes for our sailors is the only logical answer. Not only will this mean we won't have to rely on picking up drunkards out of the bars who look like they know how to eat on a boat, but we can also accomplish far more with our ship crews right out the gate upon the completion of a new vessel.

Mechanically, an EXP boost that will hopefully enable our crews to have a high enough level to get full benefit from our Ballistics Classes national bonus, as well as our Modest Damage control techniques project. Without having to sack one for the other or have both be lagging behind.
If a specific location is needed for the place, Castelli de Lorenzo seems like a fine enough place I suppose.

Montagne Barrel-Material Studies(name pending, please offer others)
While the guns of our vessels are mighty and reliable indeed, there is something to be said for their longevity. While not a critical flaw for now, forward thinking engineers are already concerned about the ability of our material sciences to handle the sustained fire of 12" guns and theoretically larger ones. Especially as ship designs become larger, offering for greater possibility of up-scaling our current gun diameters, or as new and exciting propellant types become available. More volatile propellants or ones that leave more residue could pose problems to our rifling far sooner than is deemed acceptable for long term operation, and the size of a gun is of little concern if the material its made of cannot handle the forces involved in firing it.

To facilitate this, a new wave of material sciences and rifling studies is conducted by the R&D team. To figure out a blend of steel that can handle the current guns we have without excessive wearing, or perhaps a particular coating or alloy of steel we could make the rifling and or barrels out of.
Additional funding will go towards testing a variety of non-standardized propellants in both existing and prototype barrels, to offer future avenues of investigation and investment for alternative propellant types. As well as making a handful of barrels and shells of larger make than our current 12" guns to see how they perform under controlled environments.


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Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence (1) - SK
Montagne Barrel-Material Studies (1) - SK
Save 1 Dice for Revision Phase (1) -SK

Since we don't have a ton we are working on at this very moment, and no one has proposed a new ship class, I'm just going to throw these out.
A shitpost that I'd love to see make it, mostly there to bug everyone else into making something actually valid.
An infrastructure that, while not flashy, will definitely help us out both short term and in the long haul. This is the main one I think we should really work on, more base experience is huge for not having to work up as much and getting both our crew bonuses as soon as possible.
And a general Research tech that is more for research than development. Just to grind some technological understanding, get some more information on what all we can work with IC, fix our rifling issues, and test the waters with larger sized guns. Should make future efforts at building 13"+ guns a less painful experience.
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Autumn, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #259 on: April 18, 2022, 08:16:02 am »

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Bambino Tuono-Class Torpedo Ram (0)
Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence (2) - SK, Madman
Montagne Barrel-Material Studies (1) - SK

Save 4 Dice: (1) Madman
Save 1 Dice for Revision Phase (1) -SK
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Autumn, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #260 on: April 23, 2022, 09:57:30 pm »

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Bambino Tuono-Class Torpedo Ram (0)
Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence (3) - SK, Madman, m1895
Montagne Barrel-Material Studies (2) - SK,  m1895

Save 4 Dice: (1) Madman
Save 1 Dice for Revision Phase (1) -SK
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Magna Mongadizafra, Autumn, 1896, Design Phase.
« Reply #261 on: April 24, 2022, 02:40:40 am »


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Bambino Tuono-Class Torpedo Ram (0)
Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence (4) - SK, Madman, m1895, Happerry
Montagne Barrel-Material Studies (2) - SK,  m1895

Save 4 Dice: (1) Madman
Save 1 Dice for Revision Phase (1) -SK
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Autumn, 1896, Design Phase.
Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence
A state funded crew-training center (read, boot camp) named in honor of the late Corbiniano Ugolini for his duties to his men and to his nation.

Magna Mongadizafra has always had a history of naval supremacy, an in-built call to the seas as it were. With our advanced gunnery courses, our sailors have always had a way to express themselves to the enemy with a preternaturally accurate salvo of cannon fire. However, with the advancement and call for additional damage control and potentially other future training courses our ships' crews will need to perform, this natural talent must be honed and tempered with experience and training. Thus, the creation of a centralized and dedicated institution of learning the ropes for our sailors is the only logical answer. Not only will this mean we won't have to rely on picking up drunkards out of the bars who look like they know how to eat on a boat, but we can also accomplish far more with our ship crews right out the gate upon the completion of a new vessel.

Mechanically, an EXP boost that will hopefully enable our crews to have a high enough level to get full benefit from our Ballistics Classes national bonus, as well as our Modest Damage control techniques project. Without having to sack one for the other or have both be lagging behind.
If a specific location is needed for the place, Castelli de Lorenzo seems like a fine enough place I suppose.
Time: 5 | Progress: 3 | Expense: 6

Work on the construction of the training center, naval academy, or whatever anyone else wants to call it is actually expected to go fairly swiftly. An abandoned manner close to the coast was taken and refurbished to serve as a solid foundation for the training center. In fact, it's location is perfect as it is not far at all from the military port in the city, and a minor extension of it gives the building perfect access to it. Good location aside, due to the structure already being in place, it won't take too long to be converted, nor will it cost too much of the navy's budget, despite expectations otherwise that it might. Still, it should serve a solid foundation for our future crews and captains.

Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence | 3/14 | 2 PP per die | Rushed 0 times | 2 PP invested

Effectiveness: 3 | Cost: 1 | Bugs: 6

The academy itself is a fairly solid structure, really. It gets crew's through more training before they are assigned onto a ship and gets them generally more seaworthy. This effectively means that all crews and captains that go through the academy will be greenhorns before even working up on their ships, and after be trained to a degree greater than most crews are currently. Further, it solves the issue of the gunnery versus damage control issue we currently have. The only issue with the school so far is that the operating costs are expected to be very high (10 per turn). It is a proper naval school after all and as such will need all the professionals, equipment, older ships and most importantly munitions to properly train up our sailors to standard. Though it shouldn't be too bad given our budget and the fact it's specifically dedicated to the training of only sailors and captains. Still, it is something to be concerned about and potentially address. 



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Wireless Telegraphy Reliability Studies - Revision
The Wireless Telegraphy Reliability Studies Project is intended to make a study of the myriad issues effecting our Wireless Telegraphy's greatly reliability and come up with methods of countering or alleviating said issues. This will be initially focused on the originally discovered issues of the questions of 'is the transmitter reliably producing the right bandwidth of frequency desired and if not how can we make it do so', attempting to come up with new antenna designs that lacks the current designs' issues with windy weather, especially its tendency to break sometime, and furthermore give a full review of the Wireless Telegraphy to determine if any method can be found to economically reduce the chances of the thing breaking whenever anyone touches it, whether that be through replacing currently used parts or simply wrapping the entire thing in three inches of wool padding at all times.
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Naval Surplus - Revision
Understandably, the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence is an expensive undertaking as it provides the best naval training in the modern world. A significant portion of the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence's upkeep comes from paying salaries to tutors and maintaining proper training warships. However we already have skilled tutors and warships in our possession. By deploying active Crew, Captains and Warships to the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence, we can reduce the cost as it is subsumed into existing wartime maintenance budget. These could come from officers/enlisted who wish to retire from active duty whielt still serving the war effort, or by rotating experienced crews through the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence in a Teaching role. Similarly, current warships can either be retired into the control of the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence, or be assigned to the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence for a season instead instead on the front lines.
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Naval Surplus (1) : Happerry
Wireless Telegraphy Reliability Studies (1) : Happerry
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Naval Surplus (2) : Happerry, m1895
Wireless Telegraphy Reliability Studies (2) : Happerry, m1895
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Naval Surplus (3) : Happerry, m1895, TricMagic
Wireless Telegraphy Reliability Studies (3) : Happerry, m1895, TricMagic
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Autumn, 1896, Revision&Refit Phase.
Naval Surplus - Revision
Understandably, the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence is an expensive undertaking as it provides the best naval training in the modern world. A significant portion of the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence's upkeep comes from paying salaries to tutors and maintaining proper training warships. However we already have skilled tutors and warships in our possession. By deploying active Crew, Captains and Warships to the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence, we can reduce the cost as it is subsumed into existing wartime maintenance budget. These could come from officers/enlisted who wish to retire from active duty whielt still serving the war effort, or by rotating experienced crews through the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence in a Teaching role. Similarly, current warships can either be retired into the control of the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence, or be assigned to the Corbiniano Ugolini Recruit Training Command of Maritime Excellence for a season instead instead on the front lines.

Effectiveness: 4

Putting active or reserve forces in charge of the training center was not initially thought to be a method by which we could overturn some of the costs and utilize our budget more effectively to decrease the cost of the school. Luckily, as it turns out, thanks to some friends higher up, we noticed that it in fact was the key to making our budget a bit bigger without really changing much of anything. It all has to do with some legal loopholes that allow us to draw a bit more for our armament budget thanks to technicalities that we will use without hesitation. Still, we managed to knock down the price a modest peg, down to 8 PP per turn. More could likely be done to reduce the cost but those budget cuts might cause some interference with effectiveness, as most of the cost now lies in maintenance and munitions costs, though that still remains a might. As it stands the small amount of extra funds available will be of some help. 

Wireless Telegraphy Reliability Studies - Revision
The Wireless Telegraphy Reliability Studies Project is intended to make a study of the myriad issues effecting our Wireless Telegraphy's greatly reliability and come up with methods of countering or alleviating said issues. This will be initially focused on the originally discovered issues of the questions of 'is the transmitter reliably producing the right bandwidth of frequency desired and if not how can we make it do so', attempting to come up with new antenna designs that lacks the current designs' issues with windy weather, especially its tendency to break sometime, and furthermore give a full review of the Wireless Telegraphy to determine if any method can be found to economically reduce the chances of the thing breaking whenever anyone touches it, whether that be through replacing currently used parts or simply wrapping the entire thing in three inches of wool padding at all times.

Effectiveness: 2

The issues with the wireless telegraph are...difficult to say the least. Electronics is not exactly the first thing that comes to mind for naval engineers, and even those we have put on the job, those skilled with electronics, aren't too sure as to how to fix the issues with the signal. However they have at least narrowed down the issue to be likely caused by the modulator rather than the detector of the radio equipment. Though they don't know if this is due to the inductance, capacitance, both or something else entirely inside the equipment causing the modulator to improperly send the signals. Still, the finer points as to what the exact cause is something that eludes the designers for the time being. Still, while our electricians are desperately looking at the work of Hertz and others, the solution to the antenna breaking is trivial to fix. All it needed was just a bit of greater support due to it's size, something trivial to do in a ship. Of course, the parts inside are delicate and not fond of taking a hard smack, but at least a strong breeze isn't going to take out one of the most important parts for actually sending the signal out now.



It is now the Production&Strategy phase of Autumn, 1896. You have 45 PP remaining should you pay for all maintenance and construction costs.

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Okay, here's a first draft plan based on convo discord, plus expenditure of 45(!) PP.

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