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Author Topic: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Spring, 1896, Revision&Refit Phase.  (Read 18657 times)

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Summer, 1895, Production&Strategy Phase.
« Reply #135 on: November 10, 2021, 06:08:16 am »

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Summer, 1895, Production&Strategy Phase.
« Reply #136 on: November 10, 2021, 09:07:43 am »


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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Summer, 1895, Production&Strategy Phase.
« Reply #137 on: November 11, 2021, 08:17:01 pm »

 Righty, as Joe asked for it, have the semblance of a plan.

>Four combat groups
Group A) Zeerover, Pirat
Group B) Avonturier, Zwerver, Geest
Group C) The Union, Herman Van Veen, Lourens van Vilet
Group D) Eldert Schimmelpennink, Reinout van Diermen
>Groups A, C stationed at Noord Texel
>Groups B, D stationed at Bottenbaii
>Groups A, B tasked with protecting trade in local area and being high-speed response to threats, tying them down if they are a threat and engaging them if not.
>Groups C, D tasked with assisting the army in securing the shared islands and moving to engage groups pinned by groups A, B as required.
>In general: Spotting stations set up on islands, relaying what spotted to local command centers. Combat groups are directed by local communications(i.e., heliographs) to respond to spotted enemies, with the slightly faster SK-type vessels keeping the enemy engaged for the slightly-slower SVS's to catch up and put those 10" guns into play, who meanwhile are occupied with helping out the army in unifying the shared islands under our banner
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Summer, 1895, Production&Strategy Phase.
« Reply #138 on: November 12, 2021, 09:43:21 am »

As we have no idea on the exact strength of the enemy fleet I think it would be best that we concentrate our fleet and focuse on one island. The army has the experience fighting unsupported and with unstable supply lines we can afford to do do this.

Of the two islands we can focuse on I say western island as magna only has two towns we can quickly secure forcing magna to commit to a naval landing if they want to regain a foot hold on the main wester island.
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All ships will be based out of Saarbaai, their objective will be to gain naval superiority around the western islands particularly in the red zone. Group b and c are to operate in the red zone providing support support to the army and cutting  supplies to the magna garrison. A and d will be task with protecting the supply lines to the western front.

If the west is left contested A and D will instead be assigned to the red zone as well and assist in a landing assult of the town of Traste

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The fleet will be based out of Goudwoude. Their objective is to ensure that supplies arrive to the center islands first and engaging any enemy ships second. Group a and b are tasked with patrolling the green corporate and engaging with any magna commerce raider that attempt to interrupted the supply line. Group c and d are to act as reserve and support group a and b in the event magna has sent capital ships. In the event the island is uncontested group c and d are instead tasked with shore bombardment duty.


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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Summer, 1895, Production&Strategy Phase.
« Reply #139 on: November 13, 2021, 07:07:00 pm »

In the interest of not annoying Joe more, a second vote to plan Red.
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Summer, 1895, Production&Strategy Phase.
« Reply #140 on: November 13, 2021, 07:19:24 pm »

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Summer, 1895, Production&Strategy Phase.
« Reply #141 on: November 14, 2021, 09:15:57 am »

Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.

While the situation outside of the west is quite unfortunate, the Worker's Army is capable of holding off the Magna forces for quite some time. They are planning on assisting with the invasion in the west and solidifying control there before focusing to relieve General Rutger Buyskes' forces on the central island which ideally will be renamed after our liberation of it. The army is used to being with low supply and overwhelming odds. It's how we earned our freedom and they'll damn well be able to do it again.

More importantly however (6, 6) the intelligence agents in Magna Mongadizafra report a major amount of activity in their largest drydocks, implying a lot of investment into potential future battleships. Estimated time until their completion is at least a year, and at least 6 battleships, possibly more. Further details however are unknown at this time, however hopefully this vital information is able to provide us with a much needed edge.

Due to the unions shifting more to war production, we have been allocated 4 additional PP of funding.




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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.
« Reply #142 on: November 17, 2021, 12:51:31 am »

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An update of our 7"+ guns to bring them kicking and screaming toward the 20th century, introducing smokeless propellants, down-swinging multi-stepped interrupted-thread breech plugs(aka Welin breaches), improved power rammers, wire-wound construction and replaceable liners. If possible, investigation of 14" guns is to occur.

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.
« Reply #143 on: November 17, 2021, 08:25:50 am »

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.
« Reply #144 on: November 17, 2021, 11:23:18 am »

If we want a bigger ship capable of standing up to theirs, it'll need big guns. I'm taking it on trust that this is a well-researched proposal, and not, like, fifty years ahead of time or whatever.

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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.
« Reply #145 on: November 17, 2021, 02:47:38 pm »

 Since there is discussion of focusing on just 8" and 11" guns being developed, I am going to put out my objections to that idea here, now.Not least so they cant get lost for a second time, requiring us to have another stupid argument in the discord

 The Compromise is not going to be going away for a long while yet. While developing improved 10" guns, or even 12"+ might allow us to refit its main battery with improved armament and make them more useful later down the line, before we have enough of whatever 10kt battleship we design to do the jobs we will need the Compromise to do, limiting design work to an 11" gun either will force us to downgrade its total effective firepower, never upgrade the Compromise's main battery, spend further design work on guns which we can use for that purpose, or artificially limit we can do with with the development of an 11" gun. None of these options are, in my view, a good idea.

 Consider: An 10kt vessel will probably take six or more seasons to construct. To have enough vessels to replace the Compromise, we should have atleast 10 ships that can do the job, sending the Compromise to secondary roles. We probably will not be able to build all these new vessels at the same time, meaning that the Compromise will be around for at the least, with absolute best results, 9 more turns. Nine turns where we have a vessel armed with legacy main guns as a front line vessel of war.

 Now, if we could get an ideal 11" gun that weighs the same as our legacy 10", that would be amazing. I dont think it likely, nor do some of you seem to.
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.
« Reply #146 on: November 17, 2021, 08:58:42 pm »

Since there is discussion of focusing on just 8" and 11" guns being developed, I am going to put out my objections to that idea here, now. Not least so they cant get lost for a second time, requiring us to have another stupid argument in the discord

 The Compromise is not going to be going away for a long while yet. While developing improved 10" guns, or even 12"+ might allow us to refit its main battery with improved armament and make them more useful later down the line, before we have enough of whatever 10kt battleship we design to do the jobs we will need the Compromise to do, limiting design work to an 11" gun either will force us to downgrade its total effective firepower, never upgrade the Compromise's main battery, spend further design work on guns which we can use for that purpose, or artificially limit we can do with with the development of an 11" gun. None of these options are, in my view, a good idea.

 Consider: An 10kt vessel will probably take six or more seasons to construct. To have enough vessels to replace the Compromise, we should have atleast 10 ships that can do the job, sending the Compromise to secondary roles. We probably will not be able to build all these new vessels at the same time, meaning that the Compromise will be around for at the least, with absolute best results, 9 more turns. Nine turns where we have a vessel armed with legacy main guns as a front line vessel of war.

 Now, if we could get an ideal 11" gun that weighs the same as our legacy 10", that would be amazing. I dont think it likely, nor do some of you seem to.
Pulling the gun mountings on a ship is also something that will take significant time to accomplish. Maybe not on the order of building new ships, but enough so that the benefit of time saved would be greatly reduced. This is further exacerbated by the fact that we can’t just have our entire fleet of CDS offline for refit while there’s a war on—any rollout would have to happen in phases such that the actual time savings become fairly marginal.

The benefit of narrowing the focus to one gun (or two guns) would be fairly straightforward: narrower scope, more specificity, better outcomes from the guns we do get. Having a better heavy gun for our new, “high-end” combatants would enable us to get ahead and stay ahead of the adversary in capabilities of new construction, which will in time become the backbone of our fleet.
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.
« Reply #147 on: November 18, 2021, 12:58:37 pm »

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With the success of the light gun program the heavy gun project aims to to develop new 8", 10", 11.5" guns built from the ground up to utilize the Draadkruit smokeless powder.

      The new guns will be of a wire-wound gun design while also utilizing autofrettage developed from our light gun project to achieve guns that are exceptionally light for their size. Similar to the light guns these guns will also use vertical sliding block breaches,with the propellant consisting of a “main charge” in a brass casing, and a silk-bag “fore charge” to keep the brass case size down to something sane and reasonable.

     Additionally the project will also look into developing improved power rammers and replaceable liners.


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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.
« Reply #148 on: November 18, 2021, 01:18:03 pm »

If 11.5" will leave both sides content, I'd go along with it.
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Re: Refit and Repair 2. Veenland, Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.
« Reply #149 on: November 18, 2021, 04:30:12 pm »

Quote from: Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject.
With the success of the light gun program the heavy gun project aims to to develop new 8", 10", 11.5" guns built from the ground up to utilize the Draadkruit smokeless powder.

      The new guns will be of a wire-wound gun design while also utilizing autofrettage developed from our light gun project to achieve guns that are exceptionally light for their size. Similar to the light guns these guns will also use vertical sliding block breaches,with the propellant consisting of a “main charge” in a brass casing, and a silk-bag “fore charge” to keep the brass case size down to something sane and reasonable.

     Additionally the project will also look into developing improved power rammers and replaceable liners.


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M1895 11.5"/45



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