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[NUKE9.13]

Zwaar Artillerieproject (1): AseaHeru

Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject. (3): khang36, Vostok, NUKE9.13

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1 design (3):khang36, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13

[Maxim_inc]

Zwaar Artillerieproject (1): AseaHeru

Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject. (4): khang36, Vostok, NUKE9.13, Maxim

Dice
1 design (4):khang36, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13, Maxim

[Aseaheru]

Zwaar Artillerieproject (0):

Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject. (5): khang36, Vostok, NUKE9.13, Maxim, AseaHeru

Dice
1 design (4):khang36, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13, Maxim

[piratejoe]

Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.

With the success of the light gun program the heavy gun project aims to to develop new 8", 10", 11.5" guns built from the ground up to utilize the Draadkruit smokeless powder.

      The new guns will be of a wire-wound gun design while also utilizing autofrettage developed from our light gun project to achieve guns that are exceptionally light for their size. Similar to the light guns these guns will also use vertical sliding block breaches,with the propellant consisting of a “main charge” in a brass casing, and a silk-bag “fore charge” to keep the brass case size down to something sane and reasonable.

     Additionally the project will also look into developing improved power rammers and replaceable liners.


M1895 8"/45
M1895 10"/45
M1895 11.5"/45

Time: 1 | Progress: 4 | Expense: 2

Work on the creation of a 8, 10, and oddly an 11 and a half inch gun is underway, though the workers set upon the project expect it to take some time and to cost a fair bit. Despite this, they believe they have done almost a quarter of the work necessary to get the guns up and running for our ships. And despite the costs, provided a decent amount of funding is sent to the workers experimenting on the various gun designs, the guns should be capable

Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject | 4/20 | 3 PP per die | Rushed 0 times | 3 PP invested
Effectiveness: 6 | Cost: 5 | Bugs: 5

Despite the costs of the project the results from early testing appear to be well worth it. The guns are shockingly cheap for their size (something that honestly is a surprise for anything out of the Veenlandish navy that's good at this point), accurate, long range, reliable, and hard hitting. Naturally, the guns are likely to be the envy of all other navies in the world once on a battleship, provided the rest of the world doesn't catch up in a year or two... Still, they are solid guns, with the 11.5 inch gun capable of a range of 25K yards, though it's effective range is about half that. Other than this, it should also be noted that the loading time on the guns is decent too, arguably slightly faster than normal, though this is most noticeable on the 8 inch guns, which can be loaded a whole two and a half seconds faster than our old 8 inchers. Though on the larger guns this time is a bit slower. Regardless, to top it all off, the guns are capable of going without maintenance or replacement for quite some time, provided they aren't subject to a high explosive or armor pricing ordinance hitting it directly...Regardless, it is clear the great thinkers of Veenland have greatly aided the workers in their struggle, and the Navy thanks them. Let's just hope they finish faster than expected...


It is now the Revision and Refit phase of Autumn, 1895. You have 3 dice remaining to spend on Revisions and Refits, or save for next turn.

Spoiler: Projects (click to show/hide)

A1 Klasse | 1/3 Seasons to Completion | Torpedo Boat Destroyer | 3/2 PP cost | 3 Season Construction Time
Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject | 4/20 | 3 PP per die | Rushed 0 times | 3 PP invested

Spoiler: Technology (click to show/hide)

Naval
Early 7/9/10/12 inch guns
QF 2/3/4/5/6 M1895 guns (Average price. Rifling wears out at an average pace. 20k max range estimate for 6 inch version, 10k effective range.)
Basic Surface Single Torpedo Launchers
Advanced Triple-expansion engines.
Prototype Steam Turbine Engines.
Decent Boilers.
Early coal/oil hybrid firing.
Steel hull construction.
Prototype Hydrodynamic hulls.
Single Casemates.
Single and Double gun turrets.
Early Rangefinder.
Early Central Fire Control.
Möser-Fokker Cemented Armor.
Basic Damage control techniques.
Cordite Draadkruit Smokeless Powder.
Zeeslang Mk2 Torpedo. (Somewhat Unreliable Torpedo with 37 knot speed and 3000 yard range)

Marines & Installations
Defensive guns (Uses same calibers as naval guns)
UVW T92G (Basic Bolt Action Rifle)
UVW T88R (Basic Revolver)

Spoiler: Ship Classes (click to show/hide)

Zeerover Speciale Kruiser: A modest high speed cruiser with a fairly sizable compliment of guns for dealing with any ships of equal size and armor along with anything smaller than it, and a few things above it. The submerged torpedo compliment also gives it a chance to punch well above it's weight, if it gets lucky. Fairly expensive though. Costs 5/2, 4 season construction time.

Compromise Class: An effective, slightly overweight shore defense ship with powerful guns and substantial, high quality armor. Quite fast for a ship of it's armor and armament, not far off from our cruisers. Costs 6/3, 5 season construction time.

A1-Klasse: A extremely fast Torpedo Boat Destroyer with a good compliment of guns and modest torpedo armament. The bridge is armored enough to be safe from splinters, barring a direct hit. It should be noted however the engine cannot run at full speed for much longer than a hour without running into issues. Costs 3/2, 3 season construction time.

Spoiler: Ship Class Cards (click to show/hide)

Zeerover Class

Compromise Class

A1-Klasse

Spoiler: Ships (click to show/hide)

SK - Speciale Kruiser
Zeerover Class, 5 ships, 20 Maintenance
Zeerover | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | David Streithorst is captain, Trained, Balanced
Pirat | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Pieter-Jan Geurtse is captain, Trained, Aggressive
Avonturier | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Thijn Seijnen is captain, Greenhorn, Balanced
Zwerver | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorn | Undamaged | Christiaan Mol is captain, Trained, Aggressive
Geest | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Bartje Brugmans is captain, Trained, Balanced
SK 6 | SK | No Refit| Currently Under construction, 3 seasons remaining, 5 PP per turn construction cost
SK 7 | SK | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 3 seasons remaining, 5 PP per turn construction cost

CDS - Costal Defense Ship
Compromise Class, 5 ships, 33 Maintenance
The Union | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Rogier van Beulingen is captain, Greenhorn, Cautious
Herman Van Veen | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Egbert Hazenkamp is captain, Greenhorn, Cautious
Lourens van Vilet | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Marlijn de Wal is captain, Trained, Balanced
Eldert Schimmelpennink | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Lindert Knuif is captain, Trained, Cautious
Reinout van Diermen | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Piet Bisschop is captain, Trained, Balanced
CDS 6 | CDS | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost
CDS 7 | CDS | No Refit |Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost
CDS 8 | CDS | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost

Spoiler: Land Instillation's, Schools, & Dock Size (click to show/hide)

Veenland National School of the Navy (Costs 15 PP to maintain)
One 6 inch battery at Buskruithof, Sparrendijkje, Berenberg, Diepput, Bloemenheide, Marvinsburg

7,000 Displacement Dry docks. (3 more seasons upgrading)
82 PP (79 remaining), 68 Maintenance.

[Vostok]

The idea is simple: the Navy doesn’t have any machine guns in inventory, the Army probably doesn’t have them in great supply at the moment either. Thus, we should work with the Army to conduct trials, purchase a batch of guns from overseas, and try to secure license production for domestic production.

Main candidates for license production at the moment are the American M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun and the Maxim. The British are relatively unlikely to sell to us considering our relations, but it’s worth a try. Reach out to the Germans to see if they’re willing to make a deal under the table if the Brits say no.

[Aseaheru]

 The other three proposed revisions that we can actually do at this point in time, and aren't planned revisions for projects we haven't even started yet

    The Zeeslang Mk3 has two goals; to further increase the range and speed of the torpedo and to improve the exploder mechanism of the torpedo, reducing duds. Most of these improvements take the form simply of optimizations to their current designs based on wartime experience with the weapons, taking input from the users and manufacturers of the weapons to better serve the Unions.
    Any additional time possessed is to be utilized in developing improved launchers, including multi-tube launchers, that could be fitted to existing vessels.

Continued work on our 2-6" QF guns, with improved liners to ease refit time and costs, incremental improvements to production and general form based on experience in manufacture and use of the guns, and new shell types including: Ballistic Capped armor-piercing rounds, smoke rounds, parachute flares, shrapnel shells, improved high explosive fillers for AP and HE shells(i.e., TNT, Amatol, or similar compounds)

    The Chemical Workers Union has had issues of late with the formulation and manufacture of Draadkruit propellants. However, with experience in its manufacture, storage and use, along with increased ability to replace outdated equipment, most of these problems should be fairly simple to correct. Thus, the Draadkruit Production Improvement Project, aiming to rectify these problems via, well, doing a bit more work on the process at hand.

[Khang36]

Revisions
Draadkruit Productieverbeteringsprogramma(1):khang36
Joint Machine-Gun Procurement(1)Khang36
QF continuation(1):Khang36

Dice
2 revisions(0)
3 revisions(1)khang36

[Vostok]

Revisions
Draadkruit Productieverbeteringsprogramma(2): khang36, Vostok
Joint Machine-Gun Procurement(2): Khang36, Vostok
QF continuation(2): Khang36

Dice
2 revisions(0)
3 revisions(2) khang36, Vostok

[Aseaheru]

Revisions
Draadkruit Productieverbeteringsprogramma(3): khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru
Joint Machine-Gun Procurement(3): Khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru
QF continuation(2): Khang36
Zeeslang Mk3 Torpedo Revision(1): AseaHeru

Dice
2 revisions(0)
3 revisions(3) khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru

[Vostok]

Revisions
Draadkruit Productieverbeteringsprogramma(3): khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru
Joint Machine-Gun Procurement(3): Khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru
QF continuation(2): Khang36, Vostok
Zeeslang Mk3 Torpedo Revision(1): AseaHeru

Dice
2 revisions(0)
3 revisions(3) khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru

Just realized I forgot to attach my name to something.

[NUKE9.13]

Revisions
Draadkruit Productieverbeteringsprogramma(4): khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13
Joint Machine-Gun Procurement(4): Khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13
QF continuation(2): Khang36, Vostok
Zeeslang Mk3 Torpedo Revision(1): AseaHeru

Dice
2 revisions(0)
3 revisions(4) khang36, Vostok, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13

Not sure which of the QF or Zeeslang revisions to support.

[piratejoe]

Autumn, 1895, Revision & Refit Phase.

Continued work on our 2-6" QF guns, with improved liners to ease refit time and costs, incremental improvements to production and general form based on experience in manufacture and use of the guns, and new shell types including: Ballistic Capped armor-piercing rounds, smoke rounds, parachute flares, shrapnel shells, improved high explosive fillers for AP and HE shells(i.e., TNT, Amatol, or similar compounds)

Effectiveness: 6

Work on creating better versions of our current quickfire guns, mainly through simplification of the manufacture process alongside the addition of work upon various useful rounds has gone quite well. The rounds include a AP shell with a improved cap, smoke rounds, parachute flares, HE, and a shrapnel shell as most call it. The latter is fairly obviously not really used much for our main armament. Though there is always the chance we'll get the perfect time to use them against enemy land forces that aren't entrenched and in the open. A few gunners have suggested shooting it at the decks of enemy ships and calling them 'splinter shells' instead though. We aren't sure if they are joking or not though...

    The Chemical Workers Union has had issues of late with the formulation and manufacture of Draadkruit propellants. However, with experience in its manufacture, storage and use, along with increased ability to replace outdated equipment, most of these problems should be fairly simple to correct. Thus, the Draadkruit Production Improvement Project, aiming to rectify these problems via, well, doing a bit more work on the process at hand.

Effectiveness: 4

With a bit more familiarity, and update to the equipment, partially as a result of the fact that the workers demanded that the highly explosive compound they were working with was actually safe to work with and not likely to have the rare industrial accident, along with the obvious cost of repairing things from said accidents meant that the union wasn't exactly slow to enact things to better produce the material. Mainly, a bit of the volatile nature of the substance has been cut back, and the thing is a bit easier to produce. Still not to the level our old powder was at, but that's made up for the fact of it's quality, and it's not that much less.

The idea is simple: the Navy doesn’t have any machine guns in inventory, the Army probably doesn’t have them in great supply at the moment either. Thus, we should work with the Army to conduct trials, purchase a batch of guns from overseas, and try to secure license production for domestic production.

Main candidates for license production at the moment are the American M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun and the Maxim. The British are relatively unlikely to sell to us considering our relations, but it’s worth a try. Reach out to the Germans to see if they’re willing to make a deal under the table if the Brits say no.

Effectiveness: 6

While we offered aid to the Army to get a machinegun, they actually accepted quite eagerly as they didn't really have one. When we were attempting to initially get the Maxim though, the Army decided to be stubborn. Despite this though, this stubbornness payed off, a they, with some of our help, were able to get their hands on a few documents and from there a few of our and the army's engineers worked away on creating a machinegun of our own, made by the working class! The results were fantastic! A heavy machinegun, water-cooled, and capable of about half a thousand rounds a minute, with proper rifle caliber bullets, and it's capable of being accurate at a long range too, well provided you aim it and don't just spray and pray. Most people call it the Stoommachine due to the noise it makes being vaguely similar to a locomotive alongside the fact it's water cooled and can produce steam when fired for long enough. Regardless, the British have the Maxim, and we do not. But the Maxim is poor, and we can go without.


It is now the Production&Strategy phase of Autumn, 1895. You have 11 PP remaining should you pay for all maintenance and construction costs.

Spoiler: Projects (click to show/hide)

A1 Klasse | 1/3 Seasons to Completion | Torpedo Boat Destroyer | 3/2 PP cost | 3 Season Construction Time
Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject | 4/20 | 3 PP per die | Rushed 0 times | 3 PP invested

Spoiler: Technology (click to show/hide)

Naval
Early 7/9/10/12 inch guns
QF 2/3/4/5/6 M1895 guns (Cheep price. Rifling wears out at an average pace. 20k max range estimate for 6 inch version, 10k effective range.)
Early Armor Piercing
Early High Explosive
Modern Parachute Flares
Smoke Rounds
Shrapnel Rounds
Basic Surface Single Torpedo Launchers
Advanced Triple-expansion engines.
Prototype Steam Turbine Engines.
Decent Boilers.
Early coal/oil hybrid firing.
Steel hull construction.
Prototype Hydrodynamic hulls.
Single Casemates.
Single and Double gun turrets.
Early Rangefinder.
Early Central Fire Control.
Möser-Fokker Cemented Armor.
Basic Damage control techniques.
Cordite Draadkruit Smokeless Powder. (Now cheaper and slightly less likely to copy the brits)
Zeeslang Mk2 Torpedo. (Somewhat Unreliable Torpedo with 37 knot speed and 3000 yard range)

Marines & Installations
Defensive guns (Uses same calibers as naval guns)
UVW T92G (Basic Bolt Action Rifle)
UVW T88R (Basic Revolver)
UVW T95MG "Stoommachine" (Early Machinegun)

Spoiler: Ship Classes (click to show/hide)

Zeerover Speciale Kruiser: A modest high speed cruiser with a fairly sizable compliment of guns for dealing with any ships of equal size and armor along with anything smaller than it, and a few things above it. The submerged torpedo compliment also gives it a chance to punch well above it's weight, if it gets lucky. Fairly expensive though. Costs 5/2, 4 season construction time.

Compromise Class: An effective, slightly overweight shore defense ship with powerful guns and substantial, high quality armor. Quite fast for a ship of it's armor and armament, not far off from our cruisers. Costs 6/3, 5 season construction time.

A1-Klasse: A extremely fast Torpedo Boat Destroyer with a good compliment of guns and modest torpedo armament. The bridge is armored enough to be safe from splinters, barring a direct hit. It should be noted however the engine cannot run at full speed for much longer than a hour without running into issues. Costs 3/2, 3 season construction time.

Spoiler: Ship Class Cards (click to show/hide)

Zeerover Class

Compromise Class

A1-Klasse

Spoiler: Ships (click to show/hide)

SK - Speciale Kruiser
Zeerover Class, 5 ships, 20 Maintenance
Zeerover | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | David Streithorst is captain, Trained, Balanced
Pirat | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Pieter-Jan Geurtse is captain, Trained, Aggressive
Avonturier | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Thijn Seijnen is captain, Greenhorn, Balanced
Zwerver | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorn | Undamaged | Christiaan Mol is captain, Trained, Aggressive
Geest | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Bartje Brugmans is captain, Trained, Balanced
SK 6 | SK | No Refit| Currently Under construction, 3 seasons remaining, 5 PP per turn construction cost
SK 7 | SK | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 3 seasons remaining, 5 PP per turn construction cost

CDS - Costal Defense Ship
Compromise Class, 5 ships, 33 Maintenance
The Union | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Rogier van Beulingen is captain, Greenhorn, Cautious
Herman Van Veen | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Egbert Hazenkamp is captain, Greenhorn, Cautious
Lourens van Vilet | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Marlijn de Wal is captain, Trained, Balanced
Eldert Schimmelpennink | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Lindert Knuif is captain, Trained, Cautious
Reinout van Diermen | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Piet Bisschop is captain, Trained, Balanced
CDS 6 | CDS | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost
CDS 7 | CDS | No Refit |Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost
CDS 8 | CDS | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost

Spoiler: Land Instillation's, Schools, & Dock Size (click to show/hide)

Veenland National School of the Navy (Costs 15 PP to maintain)
One 6 inch battery at Buskruithof, Sparrendijkje, Berenberg, Diepput, Bloemenheide, Marvinsburg

7,000 Displacement Dry docks. (3 more seasons upgrading)
82 PP (79 remaining), 68 Maintenance.

[Khang36]

posting some war plans

group a: Zeerover*, Pirat Avonturier
group b: Geest*,Zwerver,
group c: Lourens van Vilet*, The Union, Herman Van Veen
group d:Reinout van Diermen*, Eldert Schimmelpennink

* lead ship

continue what we were doing last turn, all groups will be based at SaarBaai to continue our attack there the CDS groups will be tasked with controling the sea around area and providing coastal bombardment in support of the army's advance with group c focusing Traste and Casadine and group d focusing on Zamoviedo and Catalejos. groups a and b will be task with screening our cds and intercepting any transport ships attempting to send supplies to the magna forces, group a support group d and group b will support group c. If the army has everything under control at Traste we will commence landing at Catalejos to secure total control of the main island.

Spoiler: map (click to show/hide)

The navy will head over to center to relieve our beleaguered forces on the island, all ships will be stationed at Donkerwoude. If the Magana navy continues to focuse their attention in the area all groups will remain in harbor during the day and sail out and hour before dusk to attack the Magna battleships engaged in coastal bombardment from the east where they will be silhouetted by the setting sun once nightfall our ships can use flares to continue illuminating the enemy ships to continue the attack.

If there are no battle ships present, groups a and d will be tasked patrolling the blue corridor and protecting our transport ships sending supplies to the army. Group C will be tasked with providing coastal bombardment to support the army with group B screening for the CDS.

Spoiler: map (click to show/hide)

Shopping list
1 zeerover+1 compromise(1): Khang36
<HR>
Strategy plan
plan steady going(1):Khang36

[Vostok]

Shopping list
1 zeerover+1 compromise(1): Khang36
<HR>
Strategy plan
plan steady going(1):Khang36
Plan A hammer in the night (1): Vostok

[Khang36]

Shopping list
1 zeerover+1 compromise(1): Khang36
<HR>
Strategy plan
plan steady going(0):
Plan A hammer in the night (2): Vostok,Khang36