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[Khang36]

Aseaheru's plan(1)khang36

[Aseaheru]

Aseaheru's plan(2)khang36, AseaHeru

[Aseaheru]

 Righty, as Joe asked for it, have the semblance of a plan.

>Four combat groups
Group A) Zeerover, Pirat
Group B) Avonturier, Zwerver, Geest
Group C) The Union, Herman Van Veen, Lourens van Vilet
Group D) Eldert Schimmelpennink, Reinout van Diermen
>Groups A, C stationed at Noord Texel
>Groups B, D stationed at Bottenbaii
>Groups A, B tasked with protecting trade in local area and being high-speed response to threats, tying them down if they are a threat and engaging them if not.
>Groups C, D tasked with assisting the army in securing the shared islands and moving to engage groups pinned by groups A, B as required.
>In general: Spotting stations set up on islands, relaying what spotted to local command centers. Combat groups are directed by local communications(i.e., heliographs) to respond to spotted enemies, with the slightly faster SK-type vessels keeping the enemy engaged for the slightly-slower SVS's to catch up and put those 10" guns into play, who meanwhile are occupied with helping out the army in unifying the shared islands under our banner

[Khang36]

As we have no idea on the exact strength of the enemy fleet I think it would be best that we concentrate our fleet and focuse on one island. The army has the experience fighting unsupported and with unstable supply lines we can afford to do do this.

Of the two islands we can focuse on I say western island as magna only has two towns we can quickly secure forcing magna to commit to a naval landing if they want to regain a foot hold on the main wester island.

Spoiler:  map (click to show/hide)

All ships will be based out of Saarbaai, their objective will be to gain naval superiority around the western islands particularly in the red zone. Group b and c are to operate in the red zone providing support support to the army and cutting  supplies to the magna garrison. A and d will be task with protecting the supply lines to the western front.

If the west is left contested A and D will instead be assigned to the red zone as well and assist in a landing assult of the town of Traste

The fleet will be based out of Goudwoude. Their objective is to ensure that supplies arrive to the center islands first and engaging any enemy ships second. Group a and b are tasked with patrolling the green corporate and engaging with any magna commerce raider that attempt to interrupted the supply line. Group c and d are to act as reserve and support group a and b in the event magna has sent capital ships. In the event the island is uncontested group c and d are instead tasked with shore bombardment duty.

Aseaheru's plan(2)khang36, AseaHeru

Plan red(1)=khang36

[Aseaheru]

In the interest of not annoying Joe more, a second vote to plan Red.

[ConscriptFive]

Aseaheru's plan(3)khang36, AseaHeru, ConscriptFive

Plan red(2)=khang36, ConscriptFive

[piratejoe]

Autumn, 1895, Design Phase.

While the situation outside of the west is quite unfortunate, the Worker's Army is capable of holding off the Magna forces for quite some time. They are planning on assisting with the invasion in the west and solidifying control there before focusing to relieve General Rutger Buyskes' forces on the central island which ideally will be renamed after our liberation of it. The army is used to being with low supply and overwhelming odds. It's how we earned our freedom and they'll damn well be able to do it again.

More importantly however (6, 6) the intelligence agents in Magna Mongadizafra report a major amount of activity in their largest drydocks, implying a lot of investment into potential future battleships. Estimated time until their completion is at least a year, and at least 6 battleships, possibly more. Further details however are unknown at this time, however hopefully this vital information is able to provide us with a much needed edge.

Due to the unions shifting more to war production, we have been allocated 4 additional PP of funding.



It is now the Design phase of Autumn, 1895. You have 6 dice remaining

Spoiler: Projects (click to show/hide)

A1 Klasse | 0/3 Seasons to Completion | Torpedo Boat Destroyer | 3/2 PP cost | 3 Season Construction Time

Spoiler: Technology (click to show/hide)

Naval
Early 7/9/10/12 inch guns
QF 2/3/4/5/6 M1895 guns (Average price. Rifling wears out at an average pace. 20k max range estimate for 6 inch version.)
Basic Surface Single Torpedo Launchers
Advanced Triple-expansion engines.
Prototype Steam Turbine Engines.
Decent Boilers.
Early coal/oil hybrid firing.
Steel hull construction.
Prototype Hydrodynamic hulls.
Single Casemates.
Single and Double gun turrets.
Early Rangefinder.
Early Central Fire Control.
Möser-Fokker Cemented Armor.
Basic Damage control techniques.
Cordite Draadkruit Smokeless Powder.
Zeeslang Mk2 Torpedo. (Somewhat Unreliable Torpedo with 37 knot speed and 3000 yard range)

Marines & Installations
Defensive guns (Uses same calibers as naval guns)
UVW T92G (Basic Bolt Action Rifle)
UVW T88R (Basic Revolver)

Spoiler: Ship Classes (click to show/hide)

Zeerover Speciale Kruiser: A modest high speed cruiser with a fairly sizable compliment of guns for dealing with any ships of equal size and armor along with anything smaller than it, and a few things above it. The submerged torpedo compliment also gives it a chance to punch well above it's weight, if it gets lucky. Fairly expensive though. Costs 5/2, 4 season construction time.

Compromise Class: An effective, slightly overweight shore defense ship with powerful guns and substantial, high quality armor. Quite fast for a ship of it's armor and armament, not far off from our cruisers. Costs 6/3, 5 season construction time.

A1-Klasse: A extremely fast Torpedo Boat Destroyer with a good compliment of guns and modest torpedo armament. The bridge is armored enough to be safe from splinters, barring a direct hit. It should be noted however the engine cannot run at full speed for much longer than a hour without running into issues. Costs 3/2, 3 season construction time.

Spoiler: Ship Class Cards (click to show/hide)

Zeerover Class

Compromise Class

A1-Klasse

Spoiler: Ships (click to show/hide)

SK - Speciale Kruiser
Zeerover Class, 5 ships, 20 Maintenance
Zeerover | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | David Streithorst is captain, Trained, Balanced
Pirat | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Pieter-Jan Geurtse is captain, Trained, Aggressive
Avonturier | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Thijn Seijnen is captain, Greenhorn, Balanced
Zwerver | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorn | Undamaged | Christiaan Mol is captain, Trained, Aggressive
Geest | SK | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Bartje Brugmans is captain, Trained, Balanced
SK 6 | SK | No Refit| Currently Under construction, 3 seasons remaining, 5 PP per turn construction cost
SK 7 | SK | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 3 seasons remaining, 5 PP per turn construction cost

CDS - Costal Defense Ship
Compromise Class, 5 ships, 33 Maintenance
The Union | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Rogier van Beulingen is captain, Greenhorn, Cautious
Herman Van Veen | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Egbert Hazenkamp is captain, Greenhorn, Cautious
Lourens van Vilet | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Greenhorns | Undamaged | Marlijn de Wal is captain, Trained, Balanced
Eldert Schimmelpennink | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Lindert Knuif is captain, Trained, Cautious
Reinout van Diermen | CDS | No Refit | Currently assigned to Peacetime Patrols | Crew are Trained | Undamaged | Piet Bisschop is captain, Trained, Balanced
CDS 6 | CDS | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost
CDS 7 | CDS | No Refit |Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost
CDS 8 | CDS | No Refit | Currently Under construction, 4 seasons remaining, 6 PP per turn construction cost

Spoiler: Land Instillation's, Schools, & Dock Size (click to show/hide)

Veenland National School of the Navy (Costs 15 PP to maintain)
One 6 inch battery at Buskruithof, Sparrendijkje, Berenberg, Diepput, Bloemenheide, Marvinsburg

7,000 Displacement Dry docks. (3 more seasons upgrading)
82 PP, 68 Maintenance.

[Khang36]

Designs
An update of our 7"+ guns to bring them kicking and screaming toward the 20th century, introducing smokeless propellants, down-swinging multi-stepped interrupted-thread breech plugs(aka Welin breaches), improved power rammers, wire-wound construction and replaceable liners. If possible, investigation of 14" guns is to occur.

Zwaar Artillerieproject(1):khang36

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[Aseaheru]

Zwaar Artillerieproject(2):khang36, AseaHeru

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[NUKE9.13]

If we want a bigger ship capable of standing up to theirs, it'll need big guns. I'm taking it on trust that this is a well-researched proposal, and not, like, fifty years ahead of time or whatever.

Zwaar Artillerieproject (3):khang36, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13

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1 design (3):khang36, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13

[Aseaheru]

 Since there is discussion of focusing on just 8" and 11" guns being developed, I am going to put out my objections to that idea here, now.Not least so they cant get lost for a second time, requiring us to have another stupid argument in the discord

 The Compromise is not going to be going away for a long while yet. While developing improved 10" guns, or even 12"+ might allow us to refit its main battery with improved armament and make them more useful later down the line, before we have enough of whatever 10kt battleship we design to do the jobs we will need the Compromise to do, limiting design work to an 11" gun either will force us to downgrade its total effective firepower, never upgrade the Compromise's main battery, spend further design work on guns which we can use for that purpose, or artificially limit we can do with with the development of an 11" gun. None of these options are, in my view, a good idea.

 Consider: An 10kt vessel will probably take six or more seasons to construct. To have enough vessels to replace the Compromise, we should have atleast 10 ships that can do the job, sending the Compromise to secondary roles. We probably will not be able to build all these new vessels at the same time, meaning that the Compromise will be around for at the least, with absolute best results, 9 more turns. Nine turns where we have a vessel armed with legacy main guns as a front line vessel of war.

 Now, if we could get an ideal 11" gun that weighs the same as our legacy 10", that would be amazing. I dont think it likely, nor do some of you seem to.

[Vostok]

Since there is discussion of focusing on just 8" and 11" guns being developed, I am going to put out my objections to that idea here, now. Not least so they cant get lost for a second time, requiring us to have another stupid argument in the discord

 The Compromise is not going to be going away for a long while yet. While developing improved 10" guns, or even 12"+ might allow us to refit its main battery with improved armament and make them more useful later down the line, before we have enough of whatever 10kt battleship we design to do the jobs we will need the Compromise to do, limiting design work to an 11" gun either will force us to downgrade its total effective firepower, never upgrade the Compromise's main battery, spend further design work on guns which we can use for that purpose, or artificially limit we can do with with the development of an 11" gun. None of these options are, in my view, a good idea.

 Consider: An 10kt vessel will probably take six or more seasons to construct. To have enough vessels to replace the Compromise, we should have atleast 10 ships that can do the job, sending the Compromise to secondary roles. We probably will not be able to build all these new vessels at the same time, meaning that the Compromise will be around for at the least, with absolute best results, 9 more turns. Nine turns where we have a vessel armed with legacy main guns as a front line vessel of war.

 Now, if we could get an ideal 11" gun that weighs the same as our legacy 10", that would be amazing. I dont think it likely, nor do some of you seem to.

Pulling the gun mountings on a ship is also something that will take significant time to accomplish. Maybe not on the order of building new ships, but enough so that the benefit of time saved would be greatly reduced. This is further exacerbated by the fact that we can’t just have our entire fleet of CDS offline for refit while there’s a war on—any rollout would have to happen in phases such that the actual time savings become fairly marginal.

The benefit of narrowing the focus to one gun (or two guns) would be fairly straightforward: narrower scope, more specificity, better outcomes from the guns we do get. Having a better heavy gun for our new, “high-end” combatants would enable us to get ahead and stay ahead of the adversary in capabilities of new construction, which will in time become the backbone of our fleet.

[Khang36]

With the success of the light gun program the heavy gun project aims to to develop new 8", 10", 11.5" guns built from the ground up to utilize the Draadkruit smokeless powder.

      The new guns will be of a wire-wound gun design while also utilizing autofrettage developed from our light gun project to achieve guns that are exceptionally light for their size. Similar to the light guns these guns will also use vertical sliding block breaches,with the propellant consisting of a “main charge” in a brass casing, and a silk-bag “fore charge” to keep the brass case size down to something sane and reasonable.

     Additionally the project will also look into developing improved power rammers and replaceable liners.


M1895 8"/45
M1895 10"/45
M1895 11.5"/45

Zwaar Artillerieproject (2): AseaHeru, NUKE9.13

Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject.(1)khang36

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1 design (3):khang36, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13

[NUKE9.13]

If 11.5" will leave both sides content, I'd go along with it.

[Vostok]

With the success of the light gun program the heavy gun project aims to to develop new 8", 10", 11.5" guns built from the ground up to utilize the Draadkruit smokeless powder.

      The new guns will be of a wire-wound gun design while also utilizing autofrettage developed from our light gun project to achieve guns that are exceptionally light for their size. Similar to the light guns these guns will also use vertical sliding block breaches,with the propellant consisting of a “main charge” in a brass casing, and a silk-bag “fore charge” to keep the brass case size down to something sane and reasonable.

     Additionally the project will also look into developing improved power rammers and replaceable liners.


M1895 8"/45
M1895 10"/45
M1895 11.5"/45

Zwaar Artillerieproject (2): AseaHeru, NUKE9.13

Compromis Halverwege Zwaar Artillerieproject.(2)khang36, Vostok

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1 design (3):khang36, AseaHeru, NUKE9.13