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[Caz]

My pick is TricMagic if we are lynching today.

[webadict]

Also, Toaster is scum. FallacyofUrist probably is too.

Why's Toaster top scum?

What's your feeling before Vector answers?

My pick is TricMagic if we are lynching today.

Eh, I'd rather Egan_BW before TricMagic, but not really feeling Egan.

[Toaster]

Toony:  I don't understand why you're dead set on a plan that is full of holes past the reasonable Night 1 of getting lots of shields in hands.  Multiple people have pointed out flaws, but your argument against them is basically "it'll be fine don't worry about it."  I'm only in favor of the N1 part; everything past that is too subject to variables that can't be controlled for.


Web is 100% correct that we can't let it lead away from the daygame, which I've gone and done myself.

If we're eliminating my first pick is Egan BW.

Then why not vote?


Caz:

Everyone who disagrees with The Plan must volunteer to get lynched, no backsies

Why are you forcing town to commit to a plan that has so many holes?

My pick is TricMagic if we are lynching today.

Because he's also pointing out the holes in your plan?  That's a pretty weaksauce reason.


Vector:

Also, Toaster is scum. FallacyofUrist probably is too.

I'm pretty sure I know why you think I am, but mind spelling it out?  FoU, too.

What about... say... TricMagic?

[Nirur Torir]

Why's Toaster top scum?

What's your feeling before Vector answers?

He's rather lurky, and re-reading his attack on The Plan does leave me feeling like he was rather negative in his discouragements of it. He didn't mention that even a failure would still give us plenty of useful information.

I'm pretty sure I know why you think I am, but mind spelling it out?  FoU, too.

What about... say... TricMagic?

Is it not your job to form a case if you think Tric is a better lynch target than you are?

[Toaster]

Nirur:  I will answer that after Vector answers.

[Vector]

Why Toaster:

a. Energy, the whole "weh weh I can't be assed" thing is my new number 1 scumtell.
b. Answered question from scum perspective, not town -> has psychological alignment with scumteam.
c. Deflect to Tric, the easiest to lynch noob left after Web promises to chainsaw Lucky and MM.

[Caz]

Why are you forcing town to commit to a plan that has so many holes?

The only holes are people who can't contribute due to flaws and people who refuse (stupid). It's a plan that is gonna make it easy to see who did the nightkill and give most of the town a bulletproof vest. What is not to like here?? The alternative is everyone just yolo's however for a huge mess instead?

Because he's also pointing out the holes in your plan?  That's a pretty weaksauce reason.

Nah, because he panicked at the plan. He didn't just dislike it, he got really emotional which suggests to me worry.

[Vector]

My pick is TricMagic if we are lynching today.

Because he's also pointing out the holes in your plan?  That's a pretty weaksauce reason.


Vector:

Also, Toaster is scum. FallacyofUrist probably is too.

What about... say... TricMagic?

This part I specifically dislike. Poking Caz for pushing Tric, then trying to get me onto Tric in the same post. None of this is scum-hunting: it's just pushing people to explain their reasoning but without any conclusions about alignment, attempt to ascertain who is what, and so on. It's lacking in Town Agenda.

[Vector]

FallacyofUrist - did the same thing he usually does of overly enthusiastically RVSing as scum

Additionally, this is why I think FoU is scum. It's been a strong tell in the games I've played with him.

[Toaster]

Vector:  Okay, I was partially right; the A part.  In response to that, I wish I had more time and energy for the game too.  Sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As far as C, I don't actually have any case against TricMagic.  I assumed you were going after me focusing on the mechanical instead of the day game; I was contrasting myself with Tric who has done the same.



Nirur:  See above; I don't actually suspect Tric.



Caz:

Nah, because he panicked at the plan. He didn't just dislike it, he got really emotional which suggests to me worry.

Can you specifically point out where he's panicking?

[TricMagic]

Mostly the point any plans I had on Medium-ing secretly went out the window with this plan. I started poking as many holes into it as I could because it has workarounds that are obvious enough to see. Flowermaidens could for example dope to bypass the shield. I should know given I would have liked that role from the start. As is any longterm plans I had have been completely disrupted by this. On the bright side, that should apply to mafia as well, up till they use teamwork to get around it.

[Caz]

Can you specifically point out where he's panicking?

FLOWERMAIDEN! Assassins, and to a lesser extent Doge and Thieves(On the first time before shields show up) can bypass such actions And level 2 Merchants can give out a Duel ability, which shields would stop from occurring, so you'd protect the mafia.. Monks can also delay an action so this plan has been flaed from the start Toonyman


I'd place the mafia team as Toonyman, Caz, and one other. No lynching day 1 offers no info to town.

Everyone who disagrees with The Plan must volunteer to get lynched, no backsies

Go die on a sword heretic. I already did so last game. Pretty easy way to get rid of town right?

this outburst. he was acting weird before that though. eg:

Okay first of all, Webadict. That first post was made to confuse, your vote was made to confuse, and your username apparently confuses Fallacy.(Why that is I don't know.)
To TM(not me the other TM), bit harsh to claim us as the lower players. Who do you think should die first for the Greater Good of town?(the answer isn't the bad players it's the scummy ones.)

[ToonyMan]

@Toaster:

Toony:  I don't understand why you're dead set on a plan that is full of holes past the reasonable Night 1 of getting lots of shields in hands.  Multiple people have pointed out flaws, but your argument against them is basically "it'll be fine don't worry about it."  I'm only in favor of the N1 part; everything past that is too subject to variables that can't be controlled for.

Fair enough. I understand your view.

Web is 100% correct that we can't let it lead away from the daygame, which I've gone and done myself.

Mmm.

If we're eliminating my first pick is Egan BW.

Then why not vote?

Alright, I'll do this so Webadict follows the plan. Plus Egan BW is replacing out and who knows if we'll get a replacement.

Egan BW. Second pick is TricMagic, third pick is mightymushroom.

Regardless of the outcome we'll update The Night 1 Plan to fit together again before hammer/deadline.


@TricMagic:

Mostly the point any plans I had on Medium-ing secretly went out the window with this plan. I started poking as many holes into it as I could because it has workarounds that are obvious enough to see. Flowermaidens could for example dope to bypass the shield. I should know given I would have liked that role from the start. As is any longterm plans I had have been completely disrupted by this. On the bright side, that should apply to mafia as well, up till they use teamwork to get around it.

It takes two dopings to kill someone. They'll know if they've been hit by a dope on Night 1 so they'll claim on Day 2 and we can narrow down who the mafia Flowermaiden is.

[webadict]

Yeah... I am torn on Tric. I can't make a good decision on them. I also think Egan_BW is probably not Mafia, but if we're not getting a replacement, I'm game to vote them.

Egan_BW.

I would rather vote out FoU, though.

[Vector]

Mostly the point any plans I had on Medium-ing secretly went out the window with this plan. I started poking as many holes into it as I could because it has workarounds that are obvious enough to see. Flowermaidens could for example dope to bypass the shield. I should know given I would have liked that role from the start. As is any longterm plans I had have been completely disrupted by this. On the bright side, that should apply to mafia as well, up till they use teamwork to get around it.

OK, can anyone reasonably say that this ISN'T hat-lynching Town Tric from the last BYOR?