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[rico6822]

I decided to play as a worm man with adequate swimming skills only to realize it (they are genderless) can't swim at all.

How could a token restricting spending skillpoints look like? [NOSPEND:BITER]

This should not directly restrict gaining exp for leveling said skillpoint. Could be used by modders for making overpowered starting characters harder.

[Iä! RIAKTOR!]

Just read wiki about animalmen and then not spent skillpoints for 'useless'.

[rico6822]

Just read wiki about animalmen and then not spent skillpoints for 'useless'.

Ok, but implementing this token would spare some work and wiki doesn't say everything.

[Shonai_Dweller]

If a worm person is transformed by a cursed dice into a capybara, does it gain the ability to swim, and if so does it use the swim skill? If so, then no, hard skill restrictions on some races isn't flexible enough.

Some more details on what each race is at character creation should be enough. And that has to be added at some point now that necro experiments are a thing.

[rico6822]

If a worm person is transformed by a cursed dice into a capybara, does it gain the ability to swim, and if so does it use the swim skill? If so, then no, hard skill restrictions on some races isn't flexible enough.

Some more details on what each race is at character creation should be enough. And that has to be added at some point now that necro experiments are a thing.

At least modders could have some usage for this token.

[Pillbo]

If a worm person is transformed by a cursed dice into a capybara, does it gain the ability to swim, and if so does it use the swim skill? If so, then no, hard skill restrictions on some races isn't flexible enough.

Some more details on what each race is at character creation should be enough. And that has to be added at some point now that necro experiments are a thing.

It should. If you're turned into a bird you can fly, so if you're turned into an animal that swims with the SWIMS_INNATE tag why wouldn't you be able to? Giving skill choices for creatures that can't use them is bad UI even if you add text explaining it.

[Putnam]

It doesn't really need a separate token, just logic for the various swimming tokens.

[Bumber]

If a worm person is transformed by a cursed dice into a capybara, does it gain the ability to swim, and if so does it use the swim skill? If so, then no, hard skill restrictions on some races isn't flexible enough.

Some more details on what each race is at character creation should be enough. And that has to be added at some point now that necro experiments are a thing.

It doesn't make sense that a wormman would be able to start with training in the skill, though.

[Shonai_Dweller]

If a worm person is transformed by a cursed dice into a capybara, does it gain the ability to swim, and if so does it use the swim skill? If so, then no, hard skill restrictions on some races isn't flexible enough.

Some more details on what each race is at character creation should be enough. And that has to be added at some point now that necro experiments are a thing.

It doesn't make sense that a wormman would be able to start with training in the skill, though.

True.

What is it that's preventing worm people from being able to swim anyway? Lack of legs?

[Azerty]

If a worm person is transformed by a cursed dice into a capybara, does it gain the ability to swim, and if so does it use the swim skill? If so, then no, hard skill restrictions on some races isn't flexible enough.

Some more details on what each race is at character creation should be enough. And that has to be added at some point now that necro experiments are a thing.

It doesn't make sense that a wormman would be able to start with training in the skill, though.

True.

What is it that's preventing worm people from being able to swim anyway? Lack of legs?

LAck of occasion, apart if heavy rains could be evoked.

[Shonai_Dweller]

If a worm person is transformed by a cursed dice into a capybara, does it gain the ability to swim, and if so does it use the swim skill? If so, then no, hard skill restrictions on some races isn't flexible enough.

Some more details on what each race is at character creation should be enough. And that has to be added at some point now that necro experiments are a thing.

It doesn't make sense that a wormman would be able to start with training in the skill, though.

True.

What is it that's preventing worm people from being able to swim anyway? Lack of legs?

LAck of occasion, apart if heavy rains could be evoked.

Ah, yeah. You know we're talking about a computer game, right?

What is reason worm people can't swim? What in the raws is causing the lack of swimming ability? Worm people haven't been picked out by Toady individually for hard-coded non-swimming ability.

(I ask because they're basically the same shape as snake people.  And for Naga not to be able to swim seems to go against a lot of lore. Not that that's a bad thing, but I'm wondering if the issue is that worm people are accidentally being prevented from being able to swim rather than a skill UI issue).

[JesterHell696]

Ah, yeah. You know we're talking about a computer game, right?

Call it what it really is, A Fantasy World Simulation, both the bay12 dev page and the steam store page call it a simulator, not a game.

What is reason worm people can't swim? What in the raws is causing the lack of swimming ability? Worm people haven't been picked out by Toady individually for hard-coded non-swimming ability.

In the raws? no idea.

(I ask because they're basically the same shape as snake people.  And for Naga not to be able to swim seems to go against a lot of lore. Not that that's a bad thing, but I'm wondering if the issue is that worm people are accidentally being prevented from being able to swim rather than a skill UI issue).

Worms don't move like snakes though and that is a major difference.

Snakes Move

Worm Moves

One works well underwater the other does not.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Ok. Creatures are made of raws. There is no hard coding determine that, for example, a worm person cannot swim. So "there's no occassion for them to learn to swim unless it rains" doesn't mean anything. They don't have a "cannot swim" tag (there indeed, is no cannot swim tag).

So, what causes a worm person not to be able to swim? Is it nobones, perhaps?

[rico6822]

Ok. Creatures are made of raws. There is no hard coding determine that, for example, a worm person cannot swim. So "there's no occassion for them to learn to swim unless it rains" doesn't mean anything. They don't have a "cannot swim" tag (there indeed, is no cannot swim tag).

So, what causes a worm person not to be able to swim? Is it nobones, perhaps?

[SWIMS_INNATE]- Swims naturally without any skills. Used by fishes.

[SWIMS_LEARNED]- Can swim but must level a skill for it. Legendary level very often allows faster movement in water than on land.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Ok. Creatures are made of raws. There is no hard coding determine that, for example, a worm person cannot swim. So "there's no occassion for them to learn to swim unless it rains" doesn't mean anything. They don't have a "cannot swim" tag (there indeed, is no cannot swim tag).

So, what causes a worm person not to be able to swim? Is it nobones, perhaps?

[SWIMS_INNATE]- Swims naturally without any skills. Used by fishes.

[SWIMS_LEARNED]- Can swim but must level a skill for it. Legendary level very often allows faster movement in water than on land.

Ah, I see. Thanks.