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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #165 on: February 07, 2021, 03:33:58 am »


Quote from: Votebox
Mutagenic Boost using the PteroHawk (-3 Mutagenic Potential, +1 to parent (Grub) and all children)
Yes: (4) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Kashyyk
No: (1) Happerry

Revisions
Electrokinetic Sensory Perception (Grub Revision): (3) m1895, Madman, Happerry
Brood Nests (Grub evo rate): (5) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Powder Miner, Kashyyk
(1) Petrohawk Telepathic Radar: Happerry
Grub Revision: Grubmind (no brainstorm): (1) NUKE9.13
Grub Matter:
Advanced Grub Matter: (1) Powder Miner
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #166 on: February 07, 2021, 06:41:20 am »

Right, so. Here are the three (non-evo-rate) revisions in the running, as I interpret them:
-ESP: Better senses for Grubs; all lines (can) inherit electrosenses.
-Grubmind: Slightly better senses and slightly better comms for Grubs; all lines (can) inherit local psi-comms.
-Advanced Grub Matter: Better ability to be directed for Grubs; all lines (can) inherit better navigation.

The main problem with ESP is that we've already made senses for all our existing lines. Now, there's nothing wrong with more senses, but Grub revisions are a very limited resource- ideally, anything we do to them should be as useful as possible to all lines. Electrosenses seem a bit too niche to add to everything. This would be great for the Grubs, but less useful overall.

Grub Matter is definitely something that will help everything. The Hawk will probably be T2d into a Commander-type critter, which would both itself benefit from the better spatial awareness/intelligence, and be better able to command beasties that don't require as much micromanagement. As we develop more combat-focused critters in the coming turns, intelligence will become more important.
My only problem with Grub Matter is that it mentions the Grubs pathing around obstacles "that they are aware of". The problem there is that Grubs are barely aware of things. In other words, I feel it will be great for our wider roster, but won't do as much to improve the Grubs themselves. Still, I would be okay with doing this one.

Grubmind is sort of a compromise between senses and coordination. As with most compromises, this means it sacrifices some efficacy. Even combining the senses of many Grubs won't result in high-def awareness. And being able to receive more complicated orders will not make them better at independent execution. To add insult to injury, even with Brainstorming cut out, this is probably harder than Advanced Grub Matter, and not any easier than ESP. I still think the benefits outweigh these downsides, though.
The benefit over ESP is that better psi-comms will be useful for everything, and sensation-sharing doesn't overlap with traditional senses as much (indeed, it acts as a multiplier to traditional senses).
The benefit over Grub Matter is that the base Grub will be slightly more competent. Unless we roll a 9 on Brood Nests (and even then), we're probably going to be fielding a lot of Grubs still, more than any other individual species.
I also think that Grubmind has potential to be improved without actually revising the Grub- cos we could revise (or design) other critters to be able to interface with the Grubmind.

I'm going to move my vote over to Advanced Grub Matter for now, but if Grubmind gets more support I will swap back.

Quote from: Votebox
Mutagenic Boost using the PteroHawk (-3 Mutagenic Potential, +1 to parent (Grub) and all children)
Yes: (4) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Kashyyk
No: (1) Happerry

Revisions
Electrokinetic Sensory Perception (Grub Revision): (3) m1895, Madman, Happerry
Brood Nests (Grub evo rate): (5) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Powder Miner, Kashyyk
(1) Petrohawk Telepathic Radar: Happerry
Grub Revision: Grubmind (no brainstorm): ()
Grub Matter:
Advanced Grub Matter: (2) Powder Miner, NUKE9.13
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2021, 07:50:56 am »

I want 2 revisions for the grub and I want a telepathy one. SO, here. Have a tie in case Draignean decides to process the vote.

Quote from: Votebox
Mutagenic Boost using the PteroHawk (-3 Mutagenic Potential, +1 to parent (Grub) and all children)
Yes: (5) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Kashyyk
No: (1) Happerry

Revisions
Electrokinetic Sensory Perception (Grub Revision): (3) m1895, Madman, Happerry
Brood Nests (Grub evo rate): (5) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Powder Miner, Kashyyk
(1) Petrohawk Telepathic Radar: Happerry
Grub Revision: Grubmind (no brainstorm): ()
Grub Matter:
Advanced Grub Matter: (3) Powder Miner, NUKE9.13, Andrea

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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #168 on: February 07, 2021, 12:21:25 pm »

Quote from: Votebox
Mutagenic Boost using the PteroHawk (-3 Mutagenic Potential, +1 to parent (Grub) and all children)
Yes: (5) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Kashyyk
No: (1) Happerry

Revisions
Electrokinetic Sensory Perception (Grub Revision): (2) m1895, Happerry
Brood Nests (Grub evo rate): (5) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Powder Miner, Kashyyk
(1) Petrohawk Telepathic Radar: Happerry
Grub Revision: Grubmind (no brainstorm): ()
Grub Matter:
Advanced Grub Matter: (4) Powder Miner, NUKE9.13, Andrea, Madman
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #169 on: February 07, 2021, 12:23:05 pm »

Let's get that psionic xp for the Murder Pups and Pterohawk children
Quote from: Votebox
Mutagenic Boost using the PteroHawk (-3 Mutagenic Potential, +1 to parent (Grub) and all children)
Yes: (5) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Kashyyk
No: (1) Happerry

Revisions
Electrokinetic Sensory Perception (Grub Revision): (2) m1895, Happerry
Brood Nests (Grub evo rate): (5) NUKE9.13, m1895, Madman, Powder Miner, Kashyyk
(1) Petrohawk Telepathic Radar: Happerry
Grub Revision: Grubmind (no brainstorm): ()
Grub Matter:
Advanced Grub Matter: (5) Powder Miner, NUKE9.13, Andrea, Madman, Kashyyk
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #170 on: February 07, 2021, 04:06:19 pm »

Revision Phase 4 - Alpha

Brood Nests
[Efficacy: 5 (5)]
The newer nurseries designs within the sequestration cavern prove to be both an aesthetic triumph and a modest practical success. The newly augmented cavern walls stare down with thousands of dark holes and bulges like empty eye sockets, and within each the miracle of life that is the grub matures and (hopefully) undergoes radical metamorphosis within the greatest of comfort and care. 

Grub Evolution Rate: 62% ⟶ 68%

Advanced Grub Matter
[Efficacy: 5 (4)]
Enhancing the Grub’s instinctive awareness of the relative position of psionic speakers, as well as increasing its ability to understand how to get where its speakers want it to go, has positive (albeit limited) results. Allowing them to relay slightly more data back to the speaker is quite simple, and results in the speaker being able to immediately revise their projected data with a more detailed version that incorporates better spatial refinement. Increasing the grub’s ability to follow commands, however, is reliant entirely upon the speaker having some common data to sure. For the Alpha Entities commands, this provides a modest increase to the complexity of motion the can induce in her hordes - as she is able to draw on a mosaic of information from all members of the horde - but other psionic speakers will have to be able to personally have seen the obstacles in order to improve the grub’s guidance. Without that, the modifications only enable existing psionic markers to be held a little longer without reinforcement.





It is now the Birthing and Deployment Phase
You have the following organisms available to be deployed,

|              | |              | |              | |              | |              | 1280 Grub
544 Grub+
|              | |              | |              | |              | |              |
|              |531 Driller
228 Driller+
|              | |              | |              |354 Ember
190 Ember+
|              | |              | |              | 531 PteroHawk
285 PteroHawk+ 
|              |
43 Cultivator
14 Cultivator+
|              | |              | |              | |              | |              | |              | |              | |              | |              | |              |

You can currently deploy to,
 The Parasitic Forest: 3/4
 The Dried Seabed: 3/4
 The Howling Crevasses: 3/4

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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #171 on: February 07, 2021, 04:39:38 pm »

Quote from: You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku!
The Parasitic Forest
500 Grub (was 450)
244 Grub+ (122)
170 Driller (130)
60 Driller+ (55)
120 Ember (80)
100 Ember+ (80)
240 PteroHawk (150)
130 PteroHawk+ (80)
12 Cultivator (NA)
6 Cultivator+ (NA)


The Dried Seabed
170 Driller (was 103)
50 Driller+ (40)
234 Ember (162)
90 Ember+ (50)
240 PteroHawk (170)
130 PteroHawk+ (90)
19 Cultivator (NA)
4 Cultivator+ (NA)


The Howling Crevasses
780 Grub (was 690)
300 Grub+ (250)
191 Driller (130)
118 Driller+ (100)
51 PteroHawk (43)
25 PteroHawk+ (25)
12 Cultivator (NA)
4 Cultivator+ (NA)
Numbers don't really matter this turn, since we're at 3/4 everywhere, so we could use the exact same numbers as last turn (keeping the rest home) and still make max progress. Only the Cultivator matters, for feedback purposes. I've sent a few extra Cultivators to the Seabed to test their ability to survive the heat and lack of water, and a few extra Cultivator+s to the Forest to see if their creep can beat the fungus.
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #172 on: February 08, 2021, 08:30:04 am »

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(1) You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku! : Kashyyk

Not much need for smart plays this turn.
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #173 on: February 08, 2021, 09:16:07 am »

At one point, Irn Bru was the most popular soft-drink in Scotland. I think it might have fallen behind Coca Cola at this point, though.
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(2) You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku! : Kashyyk, NUKE9.13
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #174 on: February 08, 2021, 02:30:18 pm »

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The Parasitic Forest
500 Grub (was 450)
244 Grub+ (122)
170 Driller (130)
60 Driller+ (55)
120 Ember (80)
100 Ember+ (80)
240 PteroHawk (150)
130 PteroHawk+ (80)
12 Cultivator (NA)
6 Cultivator+ (NA)


The Dried Seabed
170 Driller (was 103)
50 Driller+ (40)
234 Ember (162)
90 Ember+ (50)
240 PteroHawk (170)
130 PteroHawk+ (90)
19 Cultivator (NA)
4 Cultivator+ (NA)


The Howling Crevasses
780 Grub (was 690)
300 Grub+ (250)
191 Driller (130)
118 Driller+ (100)
51 PteroHawk (43)
25 PteroHawk+ (25)
12 Cultivator (NA)
4 Cultivator+ (NA)

Quote from: Queenean Box
(2) You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku! : Kashyyk, NUKE9.13
(1) The Same Exact Plan But Without Keikaku In The Title Wait Shit: MoP

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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #175 on: February 08, 2021, 02:33:28 pm »

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(2) You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku! : Kashyyk, NUKE9.13
(2) The Same Exact Plan But Without Keikaku In The Title Wait Shit: MoP, Madman

For I, too, am a verifiably awful person. :P
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #176 on: February 08, 2021, 02:44:13 pm »

Quote from: Queenean Box
(2) You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku! : Kashyyk, NUKE9.13, Powder Miner
(2) The Same Exact Plan But Without Keikaku In The Title Wait Shit: MoP, Madman
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #177 on: February 08, 2021, 02:47:39 pm »


Quote from: Queenean Box
(3) You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku! : Kashyyk, NUKE9.13, Powder Miner
(3) The Same Exact Plan But Without Keikaku In The Title Wait Shit: MoP, Madman, Andrea

This turn, I'll be on the not keikaku side

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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #178 on: February 08, 2021, 05:41:29 pm »

Quote from: Queenean Box
(4) You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku! : Kashyyk, NUKE9.13, Powder Miner, m1895
(3) The Same Exact Plan But Without Keikaku In The Title Wait Shit: MoP, Madman, Andrea
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Re: Mutagenesis Team Thread | Alpha Hive
« Reply #179 on: February 08, 2021, 06:03:01 pm »


Quote from: Queenean Box
(4) You Thought It Was Strategy, But It Was Me, Keikaku! : Kashyyk, NUKE9.13, Powder Miner, m1895
(4) The Same Exact Plan But Without Keikaku In The Title Wait Shit: MoP, Madman, Andrea, Frostgiant
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