Sorry guys, I have to be precocious for our newbie players, here. I apologize for this long post:
Anyone want to break the bad news to Secretdorf, or should I?
If you're going to give me flak for keeping how I really feel about the game. Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to do the same thing? SD is new to this forum and saying things like that. Might make SD feel like he done something wrong but with no feedback to make him better it'll make him feel worse. Of course I'm only projecting how I would feel and only assume this is what SD feel. For all I know he probably don't care. Still, if you think SD did something wrong then tell him. That's the expected responsibility I expect from a veteran like you.
I like to give opportunities to Townies to prove themselves by pointing out the flaw in both your and Secretdorf's logic/playstyle. I would never leave you guys hanging on the particulars, though. That would indeed be a failing on my part as a veteran.
First, let's start with the obvious counter:
The role sending is in progress.
This is more than two hours after I made that post. That's the easiest, and most obvious, counter to your logic.
But, here's the problem where it gets more insidious on why it's bad news for Secretdorf (and Luckyowl, by proxy):
How do you know that I know the number of Mafia? This is where it gets WIFOMy, but points more towards the both of you being Mafia than towards me being Mafia. See, I have a good reason for knowing the number of Mafia: I've run more games than the both of you have played, combined. If I were to run this game, I'd have three Mafia. Thus, my intuitive guess is that there's three Mafia. You two, on the other hand, have no reason for knowing that there's three, other than by virtue of guessing.
Now, see, you'll notice that last point does point more to you being scum, but you'd have to remember something from earlier in order to fully cement at least one of you being scum, and that's this post:
So we don't have their number. We have 12 players. Do you think it's safe to assume there's 4 scum? Could there possibly 2 for extra paranoia?
This implies, of course, that Luckyowl also believes there's three Mafia likely, does it not? Note that Luckyowl specifically avoids mentioning three Mafia. In addition, Secretdorf also believes there's three:
3 if there's third party, otherwise I'll say 4.
The emphasis should surely be placed on the "otherwise" here, because I believe it infers a state of mind in Secretdorf towards there being three players.
So would not your words implicate you,
Luckyowl and
Secretdorf? Why so does Secretdorf defend Luckyowl? Why so does Luckyowl defend Secretdorf? This leads me to my questions for them:
@Luckyowl: I'll narrow down your suspects: me, hector13, or Secretdorf. Who should we lynch? Why? Put as much thought into it as you want to.
@Secretdorf: What about Luckyowl did you believe when you voted for me? What do you believe now? If you had to vote TricMagic, me, or Luckyowl, who would you vote?