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[Luckyowl]

Caz You just got out-caz. 

[4maskwolf]

Votecount:
Caz (3) - Toonyman, webadict, Luckyowl
Luckyowl (0) -
Toonyman (0) -
webadict (0) -

Not Voting (1) - Caz

3 votes required to hammer

Caz was lynched.  They were Vanilla Town.

[Luckyowl]

Oof lol

[4maskwolf]

Day 3 has begun!

Votecount:
Luckyowl (0) -
Toonyman (0) -
webadict (0) -

Not Voting (3) - Luckyowl, Toonyman, webadict

2 votes required to hammer

Day Ends 1/18/21 at 10AM.

[Luckyowl]

Well, that does leave only person then. Webadict is the Mafia.

[Luckyowl]

So the mafia bussed huh. If so, I think Webadict is flagbearer, but I want to see what he got to say. I'm still inclined to think it's ToonyMan.

[Luckyowl]

ToonyMan: Do you think you'll be getting your redemption as mafia this game around?

Webadict: Do you think I might be scum?

[webadict]

I'll be honest and say I wasn't expecting that.

The problem here is that I'm still pretty convinced ToonyMan is Obvtown. But, I also thought Caz was the last Mafia, so I'm gonna hold out for a bit.

@Luckyowl: Yes, but what's your feeling on ToonyMan?

I need to be at a computer to do more.

[ToonyMan]

Sorry I have Masters exams today so I'm legit busy for a few hours. I wasn't expecting Caz to get hammered before he was able to give his suspects. Please don't hammer anybody while I'm gone.

[ToonyMan]

I have a moment to spare.

I'll respond to everything once I'm back fully but there's one thing I want addressed:

Luckyowl, why the fuck did you hammer Caz before he could say anything? I want you to explain, in detail, why exactly you thought a two hour Caz-less Day 2 was a good idea.

[ToonyMan]

I'm back. Before I make a full post with my thoughts:

ToonyMan: Do you think you'll be getting your redemption as mafia this game around?

Why are you making a RVS question at lylo?? This is not the time for that.

Luckyowl, go back and read through the game, it won't take that long. I will be doing the same. Think about how player's actions come off with the new knowledge we have that TricMagic was a mafioso and that Caz was town.

[Luckyowl]

To be honest. I was very convince Caz was the mafia. In a situation like this. I would say Webadict might be the scum. 4maskwolf did the same when he voted Webadict out. At the end I'm townie, and the fact that I was left to hammer seems like I was set up to be frame. Good thing though, is that more likely ruined the mafia's long and complicated plan by doing something as dumb as this.

So I think Webadict is scum. His behavior is lot different than usual in this game around. He seems a little bit more distance where as in my first mafia game he was a lot more active.

[ToonyMan]

Three figures stand, one is a bussing flagbearer, but who?

Let the deduction battle begin.

I am 80% sure that Webadict is the flagbearer. Here is my case:

1. If Luckyowl is the flagbearer, they voted themselves and had no fear of dying. Maybe they would as a mafioso, but not flagbearer.
2. Webadict and TricMagic were both willing to lynch Luckyowl, who they knew to be a self-voting townie. Webadict shows doubt of Luckyowl's alignment even though his Day 1 play seems about the same? It was only cut short by scum!Me last time.
3. Webadict hammers TricMagic, he has no reason to worry because he's bussing TricMagic.
4. Luckyowl CHOSE to lynch TricMagic over Caz. I gave Luckyowl my word that I would vote TricMagic or Caz with them, they chose TricMagic who was a mafioso. This makes absolutely no sense as the flagbearer and I don't believe Luckyowl is wise enough as a mafia player to pull this off.
5. What Webadict says at the start of Day 3:

I'll be honest and say I wasn't expecting that.

That's almost exactly what I said at the start of Day 2 in Vengeful Mafia 12.5:

Okay. That wasn't what I expected, but it worked out.

I was mafia in that game.

So let's summarize. I don't believe Luckyowl the flagbearer could be real, his actions make no sense.
On the other hand, Webadict the flagbearer seems to fit perfectly.

Counterpoints:
1. I really wish Luckyowl didn't quickhammer Day 2 away. I'm pretty sure we still would have lynched Caz, but I've lost a bit of confidence in my suspicion of Webadict because of your actions. Please help us win the game if you're town.
2. What I find most odd is that Webadict is pushing me as "obvTown" and not working together with TricMagic, but this could be buddying strategy so that I vote Luckyowl.


What do you think guys? I am completely open to your thoughts.


PPE:

To be honest. I was very convince Caz was the mafia.

Convinced enough to not even hear them out?

So I think Webadict is scum. His behavior is lot different than usual in this game around. He seems a little bit more distance where as in my first mafia game he was a lot more active.

I agree, but why exactly?

[Luckyowl]

Yup, my hammer post said it all. I thought you, me and Web were town. Because I never thought a mafia would out their own teammates. Which I assume is the typical strategy for vengeful mafia? So I was right. I caught two mafia with my crazy play in day 1.

ToonyMan: I don't like how you distance yourself. You, Web, and Tric were willing to vote me off. Did you forget about that?

[Luckyowl]

Anyways as I said, Webadict's attitude changed when I outted the mafia with that play I made.

I'm not a fan of this thought process. 3 of you were really to vote me. Caz was the only one who wasn't around sadly. Out of those three. There is possibly one or two mafia who was about to vote me.

Cool. Alternative take, and hear me out on this one, there was at least one Town voting you. I honestly don't think TricMagic and ToonyMan are working together, so I am almost positive it's at least two. That's really your only shot on this because you've basically just made yourself a target.

So, what's your plan now that you've decided that you're not Vengekilling anyone? Going all-in on Tric?

He also seem to have done a slip?

His logic:
1. One of the three must have been townie.
2. If Tric and ToonyMan are not working together...
3. Then Web and Tric is working together?

I kid you not I'm not twisting any words. This is exactly what Webadict is saying andimplying.