@Vector:As you all know, Toony hasn't been posting that much or that involved. Then he posts a big 'ol wall of text. Part of that wall is of particular interest to me.
I think I've been posting plenty. Every real-life day since the day started I've done at least one big post and one small post. I don't like typing huge paragraphs but I would consider my participation "involved".
1. There is not a lot of evidence mentioned in relationship to this list. For example, I honestly can't recall anything I ever said that could be remotely construed as "buddying." The "seems calculated part," sure, I calculate. Point is: not a lot of evidence mentioned for the first player Toony is claiming to have scummy behavior. You can examine the rest of the list yourself.
1. You
voted TricMagic immediately after I did, for the same reasons.
2. You didn't pressure me at the start of the day at all,
until I pointed it out.
Your response after.2. Having assembled a lot of these lists as scum in my day, one of the key things you want to do is characterize people broadly as scummy without pointing to specific actions and posts. This covers your butt on later days ("I'm suspicious of everyone, that's why I don't have cases! Sure, let's join another bandwagon", or alternatively "funny how my suspects keep flipping town, how annoying, but you must recall that so-and-so did something scummy a long time ago as I mentioned"). It also helps you keep out of the spotlight by not saying too much. People can't use your lists to figure out who your buddies are because you say that everyone is suspicious.
Why is suspecting most players on Day 1 a scum tell?
3. Check the proposed scumteams vs. who has a "scum lean" in Toony's list. The claim is that NQT, 4mask, and juicebox have a scum lean and that ICT is lying a lot. Of these four, only one made the list of proposed scumteams. He also manages to suggest that 7 out of 16 players are his candidates for being on the teams he mentions. In the process, he points the finger at every veteran player other than himself.
1. Scum lean for anybody I thought was null, but also not posting much.
2. IcyTea
was lying! He's in a faction with 4maskwolf, my feelings were exactly on point.
3. Maybe I suspect veteran players more because they should know better?
-> Making a meta point: Please recall what Toonyman is famous for, the Toony Tunnel. Note that "calling everyone scum" is quite literally the opposite of that.
You're embarrassing me. If you're going to meta scum tell me, then at least realize I haven't wanted to associate with "Toony Tunnel" since like 2011. Look at my play in games around like 2012-2015, I think those hold up best to how I want to play mafia.
4. Along those lines, check who Toony has been interacting with and voting vs. who has a "scum lean" in Toony's list. He's been allowing a hell of a lot to slide.
You only decided to go "fuck it' after
Jim pushed you into action. How do you feel about Leafsnail as well then?
5. We've all claimed that it would be better to lynch scum than a third party D1 if we can do it. Toony apparently has a strong belief that ICT and Leafsnail are scum. Jim and FallacyofUrist make up the other two pieces of, in his point of view, an "obvious" scumteam. There is, frankly, enough evidence to hang FoU ten times over if Toony were actually motivated to do anything about the "obvious scum." ICT was the main focus of discussion for a long time. Why is he still voting Tric?
Because at best TricMagic isn't helping town and is third-party. I think you and Leafsnail would be my next votes if Tric was off the table.
@Luckyowl:I don't think your case on IcyTea and FallacyofUrist makes sense. 4mask and IcyTea are confirming each other as "masons". Yes, all three could be mafia, but all we'd have to do is lynch one (preferably IcyTea here I think) and it'll either damn 4mask as mafia or confirm 4mask as pro-town.
@Leafsnail, TricMagic:Have any insight on this?
PPE:
@IcyTea:I think it's fairly likely you are masons, and it baffles me you wouldn't claim at the beginning of a day if this is true. Why did IcyTea self-vote when you could confirm each other at the start of today? I'm not super familiar with mason play, but I believe that's the right play, or at least hold off on claiming today if you want to be sneaky.
This way, I could both make the claim early enough for it to matter, and to use it as a sneaky safety net for a gambit. What advantage would the town have got if we claimed earlier that we didn't get by claiming now?
The reason why I think claiming at the start of the day is better, if you're going to claim at all, is because having two nearly confirmed townies to work with for the whole day is pretty good. You'd be able to make pretty convincing scumhunting arguments that people would have a hard time dismissing as scum lies. If one of you still seriously got lynched, it would confirm the other player and all of town would know for the night phase.
Instead, you wasted most of the day being an idiot and not confirming yourself while 4mask barely did anything. And
then claimed anyway! Were you afraid of being lynched
after this post by FoU? That's such terrible town play if you're telling the truth.
I don't see masons in the alignment rules. Is that the actual name it's going by?
Our alignment is Town, of course. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be masons.
EBWOP: Say, why are you asking? Since you knew the "correct" play for masons, clearly you should already know the mechanics well enough?
Dude I'm
not super familiar with mason play myself, but I've seen some games of it and that's what I would do because it makes sense.
I'm asking because I'm so fucking flabbergasted by your behavior today, and I don't see masons in the alignment list, pretty reasonable conclusion to make isn't it??
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