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Re: Amazing Cultivation Simulator
« Reply #345 on: January 16, 2021, 03:12:59 pm »

You want the highest qi gathering possible of the correct element. Check the item ranges-- 1 is the tile itself, 2 is 4-way adjacent, 3 (bars and essences) is two-tiles away, or adjacent-diagonal, and 4 (spiritwood) is three-tiles away, or a 'knight move', and so forth.

Qi ranges use some mathematical wizardry on the diagonals, which comes into play from 4-range onwards. Common practice, especially early on, is to use Spiritwood for that layer because it's qi gather range is long enough to influence the center but it's feng shui range will not reach that far. Also spiritwood is cheap and readily available.




So how does this work exactly? Would the spirit logs gather wood Qi, which then powers the fire essence bars to make extra fire Qi? Why would you want a Qi cushion that has a Qi gathering trait be of an element who's Qi you wouldn't want? Isn't the fire Qi that the cushion gathers better than the Earth Qi for an earth cultivator?

Qi does not have element. Feng Shui has elements. They're two seperate systems.
A cultivator benefits from being surrounded by the feng shui element which feeds their own. They also benefit from sitting on a Very Auspicious bed/qi cushion. Since the area has to be flooded with the element that feeds the cultivator, the way to make your seat Very Auspicious is by making it the same element as the cultivator. Other than that, there is no direct benefit from having the cultivator sitting on their own element.
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Re: Amazing Cultivation Simulator
« Reply #346 on: January 16, 2021, 05:29:53 pm »

Jesus fuck, I just dont get this game. I really want to get into it, but between the confusing interface, the weird rules, etc... I just... can´t. I dont know what I´m doing when I load it up.

Maybe my expectations for it to be rimworld like are confusing me further, and maybe I am not in the right mindset to learn new rules due to daily stress (TBH I tend to skip early rimworld game these days.... even though I *do* get it, just to avoid the boring parts). I don´t have the patience to sit through a let´s play either.

I think I´m going to shelve it for a while, maybe I´ll feel more receptive at some point. Go back to some of my usual haunts in basebuilding like rimworld and oxygen not included (and btw I´m not too sure about ONI´s expansion either). I just dont want to be caught in a drudge. Daily work is bad enough.

It will help a bit if you read some of the novels from wuxiaworld or the manga (manhua?) adaptions. They are just enjoyable to read and you will start to grasp the general atmosphere.

I don't think you even need to know what you are doing. As long as you make sure to keep your reputation low with those invisibility talismans, the attacks will never get harder, and you can take all the time you want messing around.
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Re: Amazing Cultivation Simulator
« Reply #347 on: January 16, 2021, 10:14:00 pm »

The roofs bother me. It's like they are there because they prevent temperature change, but at the same time aren't there because sunlight and giant ginkgo trees seem to get though them just fine. Cultivators also sometimes fly in through the inner doors.
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« Reply #348 on: January 17, 2021, 06:27:35 am »

Did some testing with tribulations.

Never do them inside. The tribulation will light the building on fire, causing a horde of your outer disciples to try to put the fires out, and subsequently be killed by the tribulation.

Also, for some reason the tribulation was less effective when outside, as opposed to being in my breakthrough room. Maybe the tribulation gathers Qi from the room? Note it was a fire element room and the tribulation was wood, so I guess the element environment doesn't matter either.

Which begs the question.... What if there is a way to drain Qi from an area, and would that help against tribulations???
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Re: Amazing Cultivation Simulator
« Reply #349 on: January 17, 2021, 08:23:22 am »

You want as much qi as possible, since it continues to regen you while fighting it off. So, ideally in a breakthrough room, though you'll have to keep your guys away... Or out in the middle of nowhere so you don't lure people over.

I recall element type also being a factor, but I don't remember if you want it to support you or suppress the tribulation.
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« Reply #350 on: January 17, 2021, 01:59:12 pm »

Well by breakthrough room did all that. Gave me tons of Qi, and both supported my element, and suppressed the tribulation's.

But when I reloaded the save and did it outside in the middle of nowhere, the tribulation had a couple thousand less Qi. It didn't feel like my cultivator was fighting it any more efficiently inside the breakthrough room either.

So unless tribulation Qi is randomized, I don't see a pattern.
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« Reply #351 on: January 17, 2021, 03:59:49 pm »

Double checked the reference docs I use. They suggest the same thing for where to challenge it, but with an interesting note about how to challenge it: Unless you're using high quality artifacts, you have better odds by removing your artifact, boosting your defenses, and just try to outlast it, than beating it up.
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« Reply #352 on: January 17, 2021, 04:30:07 pm »

So this one has me scratching my head here-- why on earth is the left room 'Very Auspicious' and the right room is merely 'Auspicious'? They have the exact same materials, layout, and even ground type underneath. (The middle rooms are also auspicious, but the ground underneath is different.) Specifically, spirit stone light, walls and floor, marble door, iron bed. There's nothing other than SS lights for three tiles in any direction.

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No clue. Assuming there isn't a divine jade or something chilling just offscreen (which has a element range of 5 tiles) those should all be just auspicious.

It being a bug as Micro says is probably the most likely answer, since the far left and far right rooms seem to be identical.

Well... it seemed to have more or less resolved itself in the wrong direction. I tried reloading four times and ran it a few seconds each time... once, the V.Auspicious room stayed VA, and three times it dropped to A. Oh well. It'll do for now.

Oooookay, and now the entire row of rooms is showing up as Ominous, despite nothing of note changing other than maybe three days and the weather.
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Re: Amazing Cultivation Simulator
« Reply #353 on: January 17, 2021, 06:16:09 pm »

Again.... hover over the room's "auspicious" icon and tell us what the +'s and -'s are.
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« Reply #354 on: January 17, 2021, 06:47:44 pm »

...I'm not really sure what you can glean out of that wasn't covered textually, but oh well:
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Those two readouts are from the same room, approximately half an hour apart, from ~1AM to ~1:30AM. No weather changes, everybody's asleep so no items have moved around, and no events occurred in the meantime. The obvious culprit is that the amount of earth influence in the area has decreased, except there's no obvious cause (and even if it's related to the ying yang of time, it should be the same at this time or rising).
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Re: Amazing Cultivation Simulator
« Reply #355 on: January 17, 2021, 08:31:35 pm »

Well I checked to see if characters carrying soul pearls spreads water element and they don't. I don't know if vessels spread element around ( you don't happen to have any fire vessels running around, right?

My only reasonable guess would be that the spirit stone walls/floor/light are so neutral that the door and the ground (which looks like metal element) are the only things influencing the elements, and since it's so small an amount, it means if there is indeed a tiny change in element based on the time, it could swing things. I'd just drop down an earth light instead of a spirit stone one and call it a day.

Also, when exactly is earth yin-yang at it's peak? It would be good to know.


EDIT: Ok, wow. Shapshifting tribulations are ridiculous. 36000 Qi of all elements. Tell me what I need to shove into my character's mouth to either delay this tribulation or suddenly give him 10000 Max Qi. I'm contemplating collecting all my belief and just maxing out his barrier skill.

Anyone know if activating the sword artifact building would help? Like, would the artifacts attack the tribulation?
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« Reply #356 on: January 17, 2021, 09:13:20 pm »

Also, when exactly is earth yin-yang at it's peak? It would be good to know.

EDIT: Ok, wow. Shapshifting tribulations are ridiculous. 36000 Qi of all elements. Tell me what I need to shove into my character's mouth to either delay this tribulation or suddenly give him 10000 Max Qi. I'm contemplating collecting all my belief and just maxing out his barrier skill.

Anyone know if activating the sword artifact building would help? Like, would the artifacts attack the tribulation?

Approximately 3-6AM and 7-8PM... I'd expect it to be symmetrical, but there's a wider window in the morning. This is also during the time that wood and metal flipflops.

Can't delay it (though I've heard that sending them out on adventures pauses the timer, so you can use that to get extra time).

Give them a Taiyi Scroll and Turtle Shell, and feed them Shield Pill, Spirit Stone, Spirit Crystal, and Qi Regen Pills. I also toss on a rabbit's foot, but I don't know if luck actually does anything here. There're also probably more exotic pills to use that are good, but that combo is probably enough.

Edit: That's when earth law breakthroughs are best, which I suppose technically means that's fire-o'clock, not earth-o'clock.
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Re: Amazing Cultivation Simulator
« Reply #357 on: January 18, 2021, 02:46:27 pm »

I keep seeing "comprehension intelligence" bonuses when gathering thoughts in an animal. What exactly does this mean? Learning speed? But then why is there a talisman that gives a bonus to "learning speed"? It seems like they are two different things.

What does it do?
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« Reply #358 on: January 18, 2021, 04:54:51 pm »

Ok, just survived my first shapeshifting tribulation barely.

It wasn't just a 36000 Qi tribulation. O no, that was just the first element of the five element ones. So an 180,000 Qi tribulation.

As Aoi said, I shoved a spirit stone, spirit crystal, Qi regen pill, and shield pill which made me immune to the tribulation (until they wore off because this thing takes over a day to complete). I also maxed out my protect skill, learned every Max-Qi book I could, dumped the rest into artifact mastery (because your artifact fights the tribulation) and wore the Taiyi scroll, no turtle shell though. I had ~13000 Qi and barely made it. The Qi gathering cushion broke due to the lightning, but I managed to suicide 4 outer disciples into the tribulation to get it back up, and honestly that may have been the deciding factor as my guy looked seconds away from running out of Qi.

Also, a tip to anyone else who has trouble stopping their outer disciples from running into tribulations. Turn off all building work in the "work" tab. Maybe all fire fighting too.

I also happened to look at the "heavenly Pancea" skill, and it says it restores Qi..... Could I perhaps just spam this around the tribulation fighter???
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« Reply #359 on: January 18, 2021, 05:35:34 pm »

Try doing it without the artifact. It's powered by your qi and things I've read basically say that you're better off not using artifacts unless you have a REALLY good one, or you've unlocked the ability to use multiples.

Though it sounds like it's a loss at this point. Just send them off to a branch office for their stats and avoid them going nuclear in your base.

Allegedly, it's possible to pass at default difficulty at 50-60 days if you know exactly what you're doing, but.... Ehhh.
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