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Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« on: November 04, 2020, 08:00:51 am »

So a few days back, a few friends and I were joking about a legendary wrestler who beat the crap out of giants and bandits alike and named him "Urist-Shiro". Looking at his history revealed that he became quite a celebrity among other dwarves and some of his descendants decided to write/create and dedicated books and artefacts to him. As a joke, we named one of the books "Fist of the Dwarf Star".
And I was thinking, with world generation and all, would it be possible to create an apocalyptic world, or a giant disastrous world that could ressemble that of Mad Max or Hokuto No Ken? Cuz I would be tempted to start a fortress that will be home to dwarves who teach martial arts and eventually an adventure with a legendary wrestling dwarf. But at the same time, I went a bit of balance of course.

Any ideas to create such world?
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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2020, 10:22:29 am »

You can make a world that has various combinations of: (with one exception, below)
  • many tens of thousands of goblins
  • 100% evil biomes
  • 100% savage (giant animals, giant evil animals)
  • tens, hundreds, or thousands of undead, megabeast, semi-megabeasts, and titans
  • temperatures that are instantly lethal hot and almost instantly lethal cold
  • 100% swamp
  • 100% desert / badlands
  • 99% ocean
  • 99% mountain
  • 100% rain
  • syndrome/sickness/lethal/thralling surface clouds/rain
  • no water of any kind, either above or below ground
  • no surface vegetation (and below, no caverns/cavern vegetation, either, trivially)
  • no animals (if that's what you wish)
  • no insects (again, if that's what you wish)
  • caverns of various types, from dry to flooded, many filled with plants, mushroom-trees, cave dragons, trolls, ogres, and many more potential enemies.
  • and with one line added to the raws, no caverns (and all that such a thing implies) at all.
  • magma is actually optional, and does have specific enemies that live in it (crabs, imps)
  • Similarly, you can have (or not) from none to ridiculous different types of demons
  • Forgotten beasts, iirc, are generated per unique underground region, so it's possible with some trickery, you could even make many of those.
With one exception..
The above is true, except all but one tile (for the placement of the initial dwarven mountainhome) if you want to use it for Fortress mode.
Ultimately, in my opinion, what it comes down to is what you believe is "the worst" world imaginable, based on what DF can create. 
Certainly, a world can be created that kills everyone at the embark in a few seconds, or kills any adventurer almost instantly.  Not particularly fun, but definitely lethal.
You can, also, create a world filled with so many enemies that you'll be attacked almost constantly, in adventure mode, and on the embark surface in Fortress mode.

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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2020, 11:40:01 pm »

....Love that 100% rain was immediately the thing I thought was the worst thing ever...

How could having no vegetation work? I mean, no trees means no beds, and if you went for no magma as well, then how would you make metal weapons? What about food? With no grazing, all the animals would die (barring turkeys, they never need food), so how would the dorfs survive? A dwarf cannot live on turkey eggs alone.
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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2020, 12:45:41 am »

If you're referring to the surface when you say vegetation..

Cavern mushroom-trees.  For beds and charcoal fuel for forges, with no magma.
And for food, you can grow crops underground on muddied soil provided you bring seeds, if your civ has access to them. 
You can also create grazing areas underground after you expose the caverns, if you have caverns with moss, even if the surface is sterile.

Also, a few animals don't require grazing, yet produce food, similar to Turkeys.  But there are many egg layers you can also bring, in addition to Turkeys, like Peacocks.
One viable non-farming option I've successfully used is Pigs for meat and cheese, and they don't need grazing/food.  That's just a matter of scale for sufficient meat/cheese. 
The wiki is being stupid slow for no good reason, but there may be, iirc, a chart/table that shows grazers vs. non-grazers.

Even with no caverns and no rain, no embark surface vegetation, no wild animals, and no surface/cavern water, if you can bring Pigs and seeds, you can thrive.  For beds, you just need to bring a few logs from the mountainhome.  If you pick a steel friendly site, you can use lignite or coal for fuel, if there's no magma and no trees.  Aquifer makes it dead easy, but you can survive without any surface/cavern water, it's just.. risky if there are injuries or infections, as the Dwarves only consume alcohol, and Armok help you if you run out.  I've even survived in a no-animal no-seeds dead civ embark by raising bees only for food/mead.  It's challenging, but possible.

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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2020, 05:17:09 am »

I'm just here to sing U-wa Shock!

Maybe check out Dawnthunder in the community games. Duplicating raws made a hellscape where every race starved to death except goblins and undead. It was...awful.

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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2020, 07:21:43 am »

You wa Dwarf!
Ai de sora ga ochite kuru!

I mean yeah, nice suggestions. But I wondered if it was possible to make a world where bandits prevailed and most civs live in ressourceful places, protecting themselves from the dangers of a much unwelcoming landscape. Eventually having most dwarves practicing martial law would be a plus... I think I'm just going to create an entire world from scratch, but where's the fun when you know every single place and secret of your world?
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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2020, 11:22:10 am »

... But I wondered if it was possible to make a world where bandits prevailed and most civs live in ressourceful places, protecting themselves from the dangers of a much unwelcoming landscape. ...
It's likely possible, but you'd have to define 'bandits' , 'civs', 'dangers', and 'unwelcoming landscape', first.  :D

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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2020, 02:42:58 pm »

For acquire dwarves in 100% evil world, you need to add them USE_EVIL_ANIMALS, so you get trolls and beak dogs. Pigs + trolls + beak dogs = all farming products without grazing. Except horns and ivory, because trolls are sentient (so, no meat, but cannon meat), but their fur work as good as sheep or alpaca. Beak dog products cost more than from other domestic animals. Then you can capture cavern pets.

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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2020, 04:11:33 pm »

[edit] somehow posted in the wrong thread!
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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2020, 05:26:59 pm »

For acquire dwarves in 100% evil world, you need to add them USE_EVIL_ANIMALS, so you get trolls and beak dogs. Pigs + trolls + beak dogs = all farming products without grazing. Except horns and ivory, because trolls are sentient (so, no meat, but cannon meat), but their fur work as good as sheep or alpaca. Beak dog products cost more than from other domestic animals. Then you can capture cavern pets.
I have to mention, because this made me laugh.  The short-hand you want here is 'canon', short for 'canonical', meaning 'genuine' or 'verified by history'.  To say 'cannon' means the large artillery piece.  So 'cannon meat' would be some type of organic tube made of meat, capable of igniting black powder charges to launch a projectile.

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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2020, 01:56:29 am »

For acquire dwarves in 100% evil world, you need to add them USE_EVIL_ANIMALS, so you get trolls and beak dogs. Pigs + trolls + beak dogs = all farming products without grazing. Except horns and ivory, because trolls are sentient (so, no meat, but cannon meat), but their fur work as good as sheep or alpaca. Beak dog products cost more than from other domestic animals. Then you can capture cavern pets.
I have to mention, because this made me laugh.  The short-hand you want here is 'canon', short for 'canonical', meaning 'genuine' or 'verified by history'.  To say 'cannon' means the large artillery piece.  So 'cannon meat' would be some type of organic tube made of meat, capable of igniting black powder charges to launch a projectile.
You made me laugh. Cannon meat or cannon fodder is term for soldiers who used very similar to many of DF tactics.
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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2020, 07:48:52 am »

For acquire dwarves in 100% evil world, you need to add them USE_EVIL_ANIMALS, so you get trolls and beak dogs. Pigs + trolls + beak dogs = all farming products without grazing. Except horns and ivory, because trolls are sentient (so, no meat, but cannon meat), but their fur work as good as sheep or alpaca. Beak dog products cost more than from other domestic animals. Then you can capture cavern pets.
I have to mention, because this made me laugh.  The short-hand you want here is 'canon', short for 'canonical', meaning 'genuine' or 'verified by history'.  To say 'cannon' means the large artillery piece.  So 'cannon meat' would be some type of organic tube made of meat, capable of igniting black powder charges to launch a projectile.
You made me laugh. Cannon meat or cannon fodder is term for soldiers who used very similar to many of DF tactics.
Cannon fodder I know, cannon meat is a type of steak that you stuff into an artillery piece, and you shall not convince me otherwise :P

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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2020, 09:22:24 am »

Cannon meat is what you get from butchering a cannon.
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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2020, 11:18:43 am »

Cannon meat is what you get from butchering a cannon.
This is an acceptable alternate definition.

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Re: Surviving in the worst world imaginable
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2020, 01:44:15 pm »

Cannon fodder I know, cannon meat is a type of steak that you stuff into an artillery piece, and you shall not convince me otherwise :P

Those big guns get can pretty hot, you know. Artillerymen gotta eat.
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