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[Robsoie]

I'm not sure where is the problem there, i mean unlocking features through character progressions/achievements is rather standard gaming since decades.

[King Zultan]

But what if you decide to update and just start all over rather than having to mess around with moving folders and want to play one of the challenge things from the start rather than having to go through a bunch of shit to get the achievement?

[Robsoie]

Probably can be done the same as in other games with featues locked at start : just cheat with files to unlock everything from the start ?

[Vorbicon]

Stuff like this makes me happy that BN exists.

[Lidku]

I'm not sure where is the problem there, i mean unlocking features through character progressions/achievements is rather standard gaming since decades.

I personally think it's a problem because Cataclysm DDA is supposed to an Apocalypse Simulator/Sandbox game. Adding in such a plateau where you have to do certain things to unlock features that weren't lock-gated before... Just seems so arcady/gamey to me.

I'll be disappointed in CDDA if they go through with implementing such mechanics.

[Random_Dragon]

Adding in such a plateau where you have to do certain things to unlock features that weren't lock-gated before... Just seems so arcady/gamey to me.

It's funny because they're so adamant that DDA is a simulator and not a game, so this falls into the same trap of "realism only matters if it hurts the player" in that it's a very gamey feature that only hurts the player so of course they'd love it.

[AllOfThem]

It's funny because they're so adamant that DDA is a simulator and not a game,

No one says that, the first sentence on the main page of the github of the game is literally

Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead is a turn-based survival game set in a post-apocalyptic world.

No one working on the game is saying this is not a game.

[heydude6]

And Darth Vader never said “Luke, I am your father!”

Nevertheless Vader still told Luke that he was his father, and the DDA Devs generally still prioritize “realism” over fun gameplay.

[Random_Dragon]

And to preempt the inevitable shitpost: yes, we know they're SAYING this feature will be optional. But our trust that it won't become a mandatory obstacle at some point is basically non-existent.

[Salmeuk]

Adding in such a plateau where you have to do certain things to unlock features that weren't lock-gated before... Just seems so arcady/gamey to me.

It's funny because they're so adamant that DDA is a simulator and not a game, so this falls into the same trap of "realism only matters if it hurts the player" in that it's a very gamey feature that only hurts the player so of course they'd love it.

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this is a really succinct way to describe why I still cannot get into "vanilla" DDA after trying every few months for years lol - if you approach it like a simulation, things are wonky and inexplicably rationalized, preventing roleplay, whereas if you approach it like a game, it's more punishment than fun since optimal play is often. . doing chores. like in real life lol

[Putnam]

And to preempt the inevitable shitpost: yes, we know they're SAYING this feature will be optional. But our trust that it won't become a mandatory obstacle at some point is basically non-existent.

"shitpost" doesn't mean "post i disagree with"

[King Zultan]

It's funny because they're so adamant that DDA is a simulator and not a game,

No one says that

I'm pretty sure I saw Kevin say that.

[Random_Dragon]

Either Kevin or Erk has definitely made the argument before, yeah. Not sure where though, just that the comeback of "well of course, because a game is expected to be playable" was very tempting when I first saw that remark.

[MaxTheFox]

And to preempt the inevitable shitpost: yes, we know they're SAYING this feature will be optional. But our trust that it won't become a mandatory obstacle at some point is basically non-existent.

Paranoia much? I actually agree with the rationale, too many new players go for a challenge start or a profession like Prototype Cyborg first, get frustrated, and quit. Those professions being available to new players often hurts them.

But what if you decide to update and just start all over rather than having to mess around with moving folders and want to play one of the challenge things from the start rather than having to go through a bunch of shit to get the achievement?

Don't you already move settings and save files and stuff like that when updating? You can also use a launcher and forget about it.

In general, this feels like more knee-jerk drama and overreaction that will be forgotten about in a month. Plenty of other roguelikes and roguelites have this kind of meta-progression, and for good reason. Having too many options available to new players tends to lead them into doing things that sound cool but simply can't be pulled off by them. I bet if the BN devs did this, we wouldn't hear a single peep here. But no, Kevin and Erk are literally the second comings of Hitler and Stalin, and nothing they ever do is good, any design decision they make is meant to remove fun, and every out-of-context quote from them represents their intent. Grow up. The whining here is some amazing motivation for me to make PRs for DDA.
I actually think realism is fun, TBH. Part of why I don't play BN, the other part is that the community has too much freedom of speech and thus attracts various bigots who were expelled from the DDA community. The last thing I want to do is associate with them. It's toxic.

[Duuvian]

I almost always go for max points by taking the infected wound + burning building start and usually die, but if I survive the character is strong enough to feel cheesy after finding gear. I don't mind start scenarios being locked especially if it's optional in the options menu for a new world or whatnot, I would probably play a more average and less min-max character the next time I play DDA instead of a Katana wielding super genius.