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[applet]

I THINK that DF rolls the month (or seasons?) events on the first day then rolls then out on you. That could include migrant waves.

This is real shaky, though. Old ideas from old posts. No idea of the factual content there.

This is my understanding too. If you change popcaps, they only take effect the next season, or rather, the next time the game calculates potential migrant counts.

I've started a second run, with 0 for both child caps.. But still got 3 migrant children in during summer wave, despite setting the cap at 1 granite. Unsure what any of that means.

Same thing. Essentially, exactly as Spring hit, the game pulled the settings from .init and determined the migrant wave for the summer season. Now that you have the setting at '0', Autumn should have 0 children migrating, unless I am totally mistaken.

Yeah no. Autumn brought a couple of children as well.

Update, take 2 complete:


Deaths: 10
Freakin undead.

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~1470 containers of booze

The right hand stockpile was stubbornly refused to haul to. Had to disable everything else for the little buggers to do it. Took around 10-15 days to do it, everyone just hauling.. wtf dwarves.

Think I will try a woodless run as well, not because I think it will be more effective, but more out of spite for this trainwreck.

Found a slightly better way to count containers. DFHack can list the contents of stockpiles ('i'), which you then can search for "barrel (", degroup, save the number, forbid all the listed items, then search for "pot (", exclude forbidden items (this gets rid of stupid potato wine in barrels), total up the number. Repeat for each stockpile.

[Salmeuk]

I THINK that DF rolls the month (or seasons?) events on the first day then rolls then out on you. That could include migrant waves.

This is real shaky, though. Old ideas from old posts. No idea of the factual content there.

This is my understanding too. If you change popcaps, they only take effect the next season, or rather, the next time the game calculates potential migrant counts.

I've started a second run, with 0 for both child caps.. But still got 3 migrant children in during summer wave, despite setting the cap at 1 granite. Unsure what any of that means.

Same thing. Essentially, exactly as Spring hit, the game pulled the settings from .init and determined the migrant wave for the summer season. Now that you have the setting at '0', Autumn should have 0 children migrating, unless I am totally mistaken.

Yeah no. Autumn brought a couple of children as well.

Ah, I remember now, the liason must arrive and report back to the mountainhome the changes. So it looks like next year the changes will take effect.

[Radipon]

Hunters are the greatest peril on this map. The potential to create unstoppable killing machines is vast.

[applet]

Are you sure we're supposed to make pots out of this?


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Run 3 "reduced wood" complete, and wasn't higher then previous, only reaching around

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1300

but decidedly less problems with the undead.

[StrikaAmaru]

Well, I only have

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1089

so there's little point in uploading. Instead, I'll just put down some pretty pictures:

[applet]

Well, I only have

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1089

so there's little point in uploading. Instead, I'll just put down some pretty pictures:

Are you sure its

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1089

? It looks more like

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~1200-1300 or more

Unless there's a lot of non-booze barrels

[Quantum Drop]

Three runs in, and I haven't managed to break above the

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613

mark. Not sure if I should try for a fourth, or keep the current one.

[StrikaAmaru]

Are you sure its

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1089

? It looks more like

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~1200-1300 or more

I have 4 stockpiles total:

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• 100 - the oldest (initially 110 but was then trimmed to re-calibrate the second one - which I foolishly cut to 19 :/ )
• 620 - the largest one by far.
• 300 - third one, topmost.
• 69 (I swear I didn’t plan this!) at the bottom, last and smallest. If I knew how few plants I had left, I wouldn’t have bothered dumping all the stone :/

Total:

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1089

. Unless I failed basic addition (which is entirely possible, seeing as it’s 11PM and I have a glass of wine onboard).

I tried to keep stockpiles in multiples of 10, to keep counts simple. I really hope that there aren’t any stray empty barrels; there shouldn’t be, because I have 23 idlers, and plenty of room in the ‘container (non-metal)’ stockpile.

EDIT: Screw it, here's the save.

[Radipon]

I ran into some brief bottlenecks when plump helmets stopped getting replanted, and don't think reverting to autumn would get the count past 1400. And then there was the incident with a reanimated hauler.

[applet]

Are you sure its

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1089

? It looks more like

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~1200-1300 or more

I have 4 stockpiles total:

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• 100 - the oldest (initially 110 but was then trimmed to re-calibrate the second one - which I foolishly cut to 19 :/ )
• 620 - the largest one by far.
• 300 - third one, topmost.
• 69 (I swear I didn’t plan this!) at the bottom, last and smallest. If I knew how few plants I had left, I wouldn’t have bothered dumping all the stone :/

Total:

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1089

. Unless I failed basic addition (which is entirely possible, seeing as it’s 11PM and I have a glass of wine onboard).

I tried to keep stockpiles in multiples of 10, to keep counts simple. I really hope that there aren’t any stray empty barrels; there shouldn’t be, because I have 23 idlers, and plenty of room in the ‘container (non-metal)’ stockpile.

EDIT: Screw it, here's the save.

Checked your save, it's my eyes that need calibrating, not your maths.

Also found some non-booze barrels in your stockpiles. I think perhaps there seems to always be 1 barrel per stockpile thats empty.

Also found a seed barrel in your 69 stockpile, top left corner. I guess the dwarves were quick to put it in before you restricted it.

I ran into some brief bottlenecks when plump helmets stopped getting replanted, and don't think reverting to autumn would get the count past 1400. And then there was the incident with a reanimated hauler.

During my latest try I ran with almost exclusively plump helmets, which turned out to be the bottleneck in the end. 200 spawn max limit is not enough to keep 50 dwarves occupied. Not what I expected.

[Radipon]

Yeah, my setup was combo of plump helmets, surface crops, and a map covered in gathering zones, so drink variety is at least tops.

[Salmeuk]

Alright, nice work everyone. Still a couple of days left, but seeing as it's weekdays I'm guessing some of us are a little busy. Please upload your saves even if you didn't win! I want to keep doing the post-round writeups as I find it interesting to look over your fortresses.

Maybe I should put a rule against posting your scores early - it's kind of a downer to know you already lost, and anyways it's more fun to announce the winner and have it be kind of surprising. Do you guys think we should try to keep it more of a secret until I can count the saves?


Also interesting to see that the bottleneck is the plant production and not the other steps. Surprising to me, but I didn't try my hand at this challenge.

[StrikaAmaru]

Yeah, my setup was combo of plump helmets, surface crops, and a map covered in gathering zones, so drink variety is at least tops.

Likewise. 4 gathering zones, and 10 dedicated gatherers, with associated stepladders. All done after the 'useless' trees got chopped (and I still got some macadamia nuts from somewhere). Looking back on it, my fort population was pretty equally split between herbalists (10), farmers (at most 13), brewers (8-11, there was some overlap with farming), and haulers (11). Outdoor cereals have been the main crops, only because there were so many - two kinds of amaranth, rice, maize and rye. Plus sweet potatoes, jute, and the classical prickle berries.

I'm half-thinking about a 'realistic farming' mod; I always hesitate to start it, because it's going to start with a lot of research. About actual plants, and about DF modding.

Also found some non-booze barrels in your stockpiles. I think perhaps there seems to always be 1 barrel per stockpile that's empty.

Also found a seed barrel in your 69 stockpile, top left corner. I guess the dwarves were quick to put it in before you restricted it.

Damn it! I forgot about the empty barrel! And yes, I have recurring issues with forgetting to set up stockpiles properly; there was a short time when dwarves have moved loose seeds from the stills into the stockpile. I noticed and marked them for dumping, but I guess the barrel was already started?

... So, final score:

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1089-4-1 = 1084

[Edit] By the way, I'm going to post the usual ultra-elaborate fortress reports, but this time in spoilers; I have no chance of winning, so I'll make them easily skippable.

[Spriggans]

Hell yeah !!!


I'm currently playing my turn.
I won't go as crazy as Rapidion did (gulaag style and stuff) : I created a nice cistern/well, a nice meeting hall and individual bedrooms...
I won't savescum migrants waves. Though I quicksave a lot and if something goes wrong. I'll revert.

I'm currently giving the fertilizer route a try.


EDIT :
Hoo, I'm nice enough to give them rooms, but I'm not too nice either.

Spoiler: Booze is forbidden from now on (click to show/hide)

The red F means "Forbidden".
Only sporadic drinks are allowed. But no-one is allowed to empty the barrels !
I will carefully inspect the stocks and forbid any drink's number going too low.

[Spriggans]

Aaaand... Save is done !

A lot of things happened. I won't count the amount of alcohol I produced. I want Salmeuk to do it I want to keep the suspence

@Sal : I'll PM you my save / "journal"

Spoiler: Just a little teaser. Not my booze # result, but this is the "Z" screen, so I spoiler this. Read only if you're done playing (click to show/hide)

That's... a lot of drinks ! :O