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Author Topic: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)  (Read 1723 times)

PatrikLundell

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This used not to be possible, with kids producing various kinds of junk, as they don't have any "real" skills. This kid had some armor crafting skill (just after claiming the forge), which I assume was gained while randomly playing in the metal crafter guild hall (where I've seen various demonstrations being performed).
A great flavor thing, in my view (Still appropriately rare. I've probably had 50+ kids mood before this).
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2020, 07:49:34 am »

I wonder if playing with a toy mini-forge has anything to do with this?
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2020, 07:54:31 am »

I wonder if playing with a toy mini-forge has anything to do with this?

No, they've been around for a long time and don't grant exp.
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2020, 07:56:53 am »

huh, this looks like it needs testing, I personally don't recall anything beforehand but we just got guild demonstrations in 47.0x

it is known that children can watch and produce performances and such, so playing in a guildhall and automatically learning if there is a demonstration inside does sound plausible

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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2020, 12:30:18 pm »

Oh that's cool. Child RandomcrapCrafter moods are one of the times I usually type "die" into dfhack. It's nice if there's a way to mitigate that!
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2020, 02:39:42 pm »

Time to put the toy stockpile in the metalsmith guildhall.
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2020, 03:33:46 am »

Time to put the toy stockpile in the metalsmith guildhall.
That won't work. Kids go and grab a toy from wherever it happens to be and then bring it to the location where they were when they decided to play with it (unless you prevent it, it's not unusual for that place to be on top of the goblin corpse from which the kid grabbed a slightly used, blood soaked set of underwear). Toy stockpiles thus are about as useless as mug stockpiles are.

My fortress kids have a tendency to play in the junk clothing stockpile (clothing for sale to the caravans) and on the food stockpiles.

Thus, you'd have to place the metalsmith guildhall on top of stockpiles of interest to attract more kids (they are attracted to social activities to some extent, which I guess is why they ended up there in the first place).
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2020, 11:15:24 am »

Or just use a little creativity with burrows. I have a daycare burrow that restricts kids to an inner room with food, a well, beds, and a toy stockpile. It usually keeps them put pretty well, so all I'd need to do is have the daycare room double as a guild hall.
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2020, 11:27:03 am »

Put it in the dining hall. Everybody's got to eat.
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Reading his name would trigger it. Thinking of him would trigger it. No other circumstances would trigger it- it was strictly related to the concept of Bill Clinton entering the conscious mind.

THE xTROLL FUR SOCKx RUSE WAS A........... DISTACTION        the carp HAVE the wagon

A wizard has turned you into a wagon. This was inevitable (Y/y)?

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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2020, 11:22:49 am »

But why would the armour crafting skill be related to making a weapon? Did the kid get the weaponsmith XP after the mood (assuming it wasn't a possession)?
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2020, 05:47:31 pm »

Lvl 16 in weapon crafting. If I remember correctly, there were some ability in more than one metal crafting related skill. I believe I wrote the post at the time the kid claimed the forge, and finished it after seeing the result, without rechecking the skill used to claim the forge. Currently the kid has 3 in furnace operation and 1 in armor crafting.
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2020, 07:17:35 pm »

Kid can born with one of skills.
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2020, 08:16:00 pm »

That won't work. Kids go and grab a toy from wherever it happens to be and then bring it to the location where they were when they decided to play with it (unless you prevent it, it's not unusual for that place to be on top of the goblin corpse from which the kid grabbed a slightly used, blood soaked set of underwear). Toy stockpiles thus are about as useless as mug stockpiles are.

What's the deal with mugs?  I always try to put one in taverns but I still see dwarves upset that they drank without a mug even though they were literally drinking right next to a pile of mugs.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2020, 02:07:30 am »

That won't work. Kids go and grab a toy from wherever it happens to be and then bring it to the location where they were when they decided to play with it (unless you prevent it, it's not unusual for that place to be on top of the goblin corpse from which the kid grabbed a slightly used, blood soaked set of underwear). Toy stockpiles thus are about as useless as mug stockpiles are.

What's the deal with mugs?  I always try to put one in taverns but I still see dwarves upset that they drank without a mug even though they were literally drinking right next to a pile of mugs.
If that "pile of mugs" is the mugs assigned to the tavern (and stored in a container) the complaint makes sense, because those mugs are not available to patrons, but are reserved for the tavern staff for usage when pushing booze down patrons' throats.

If it's an actual stockpile there shouldn't be an issue unless all mugs are tasked for hauling back to the mug stockpile after having been dropped on top of the booze stockpile (and the mug stockpile thus is empty).
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Re: Dwarven child moods, claims magma forge (and produces candy spear)
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2020, 08:16:41 am »

If that "pile of mugs" is the mugs assigned to the tavern (and stored in a container) the complaint makes sense, because those mugs are not available to patrons, but are reserved for the tavern staff for usage when pushing booze down patrons' throats.

If it's an actual stockpile there shouldn't be an issue unless all mugs are tasked for hauling back to the mug stockpile after having been dropped on top of the booze stockpile (and the mug stockpile thus is empty).

I usually have both.  I build a couple chests in activity zones that require some object and then set up a separate stockpile for that particular object, too.  It isn't that I really understand the mechanics, just that there's so much weirdness about these things that a redundant approach seems to satisfy needs.
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