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Author Topic: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k  (Read 23527 times)

Tyrant Leviathan

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #285 on: June 11, 2020, 11:46:59 pm »

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Though I'm very sympathetic towards Core Combination, I'm just strategically voting against Sexual reproduction. If it counts, I hope that "Core Combination" gets used as the 'fluff' to justify the Shedding method of reproduction.

You do realize we are pretty much the rock version of Orks now this way right? Not saying it’s a bad thing, just saying.

( Orks, Nids and so forth do not sexual reproduce. Hell with Humanity in 40k there are legions of clones, some lobotomies onnpurpose to be cyborgs aside the convicts who get that treatment as robo zombies.)

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #286 on: June 11, 2020, 11:57:40 pm »

Technically, orks ARE sexually reproducing-- Mushrooms DO use sex.

Specifically, a fruiting body is comprised of the combined mycelium of two different fungal colonies, and spore production is the result of sexual recombination.

So, Orks *SHOULD* evolve from sexual recombination, and not just from germline mutation.  (The imperium is going after the orks all wrong with spaceships and disruptor cannons.   No. They should introduce rival fungal strains that cause abortion, or introduce genetically modified fungal strains that alter ork behavior.)

Humanoid ork forms just lack genitalia, because they are already (being end-stage fruit bodies that produce the spores) recombinant from the sexual interaction of their parent mycelial mass.

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #287 on: June 12, 2020, 12:04:45 am »

Technically, orks ARE sexually reproducing-- Mushrooms DO use sex.

Specifically, a fruiting body is comprised of the combined mycelium of two different fungal colonies, and spore production is the result of sexual recombination.

So, Orks *SHOULD* evolve from sexual recombination, and not just from germline mutation.  (The imperium is going after the orks all wrong with spaceships and disruptor cannons.   No. They should introduce rival fungal strains that cause abortion, or introduce genetically modified fungal strains that alter ork behavior.)

Humanoid ork forms just lack genitalia, because they are already (being end-stage fruit bodies that produce the spores) recombinant from the sexual interaction of their parent mycelial mass.

They cannot do that for the same reason they stopped viral exterminus. It pretty much empowers Nurgle. ( Yeah bio warfare, he loves that shit.)

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #288 on: June 12, 2020, 12:30:41 am »

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #289 on: June 12, 2020, 01:02:06 am »

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #290 on: June 12, 2020, 01:52:41 am »

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #291 on: June 12, 2020, 05:18:16 am »

I like construction, but I agree with those that say that some manner of combining DNA is good for evolution...

Quote from: Evolutionary construction
At first, our lineage began in the porous rocks around deep sea vents. With energy readily at hand, mobility wasn't prized and all that was needed was protection from environment and other more primitive forms of life. For that reason, these primitive organisms sheltered in holes, eventually growing to integrate them further and further to the point that one couldnt live long without the comfortable embrace of rock, the inert matter transformed into a semi living shell. Reproduction was handles by releasing in the currents seeds carrying part of the information and energy required to generate a new being and hope that enough would congregate on a suitable surface, in order to form a new organism which could seek shelter before dying in the hostile environment.

This carried on for many hundred million years, until a revolution happened: life started building its own shells. At first, this capability was merely used to expand the little space provided by nature, giving birth to the myriad of iridescent corals that still cover much of our oceans. At some point however a coral started purposefully breaking part of its shell to act as a fertilization focus, giving birth to the first free-floating shelled organism. After that, the mechanism got ever more refined. As mobile shelled life spread and evolved, the mechanism standardized as such:

First, an animal or group of animals will start nesting in an area where they have a large supply of food and material - naturally occurring or previously gathered.
For a period of time, the efforts of the nesting animals will be entirely dedicated to building shells. Most commonly, one parent (henceforth the craftparent) builds one shell, but collaborative projects occasionally happen in some species and allow for greater and more complex shells.
The shell built in this way is completely sealed, with a cavity inside to host the future organism. After the sealing is complete, the craftparent(s) will coat it with a pheromone that attracts members of the same species to it.
At this point, any number of genetic parents can inject seeds and incubation fluid to the so far empty shell, then sealing it again. This process stops after the pheromone wears off.
If enough genetic material was injected, a new organism will start developing and if the nutrient mixture is appropriate it will grow enough to be able to breach the seals on the shells and finally be born.

In this kind of reproduction, the characteristics of the offspring are determined in 3 ways:
1) The shape of the shell provided by the craftparent, which will determine how the shell will develop in adulthood, the safety of the child in youth and the easy of it being born ( if seals are too hard, the creature may never be able to emerge)
2) The genetic material provided by the genetic parents
3) The incubation fluid provided by the genetic parents with provides epigenetic information, modifying which genes will activate and when

It should be noted that most often the craftparent is also one of the genetic parent and that successful fertilization of the shell is only a matter of quantity of seed, without regard of how many genetic parents there are or any required compatibility among them ( basically, no sexes)

So, eggs but crafted and with multiple parents.


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It is late to get this voted I suppose, but I wanted to get the idea out regardless.

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #292 on: June 12, 2020, 06:16:29 am »

It is late to get this voted I suppose, but I wanted to get the idea out regardless.

The mingling of genetic material inside the shell probably fits in with the Sexual vote option. Ardent Debater promised "(Complications Require Further Questions)" so I believe you may have your chance to push this next vote. I like this. I mean, I do have my own oddly complicated take on fluid mingling to push out, but I like this too. The evolutionary pressure toward this form is a nice touch.
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« Reply #293 on: June 12, 2020, 06:32:42 am »

Well, it might be possibleto have it later as a complication to sexual I guess. But it doesn't really have sexes and in theory the craftparent could by itself fertilize a shell (which would be rare, as it involves a much higher effort).

Ardent, would my evolutionary construction fall into sexual reproduction?

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« Reply #294 on: June 12, 2020, 06:36:40 am »

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #295 on: June 12, 2020, 06:40:54 am »

Ah, on first read I didn't catch on that it could be a solo act. I think any time two or more strains are mingled, that falls under the vast heading of Sexual even if the organisms don't have a familiar distinction of sexes. Consider the note on sexual fungus above.




As promised, a "short dissertation" on a non-human style of "sexual" reproduction, inspired by slime molds and others that bodily combine individual organisms, which could be considered complete on their own merits, into a larger reproductive entity.

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #296 on: June 13, 2020, 04:43:11 pm »

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #297 on: June 20, 2020, 01:39:49 am »

Has this thread become a tomb world full of necrons or something?

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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #298 on: June 20, 2020, 11:42:45 am »

I don’t see a tie, though dealing with the formation of life no doubt takes a while
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Re: You are a Minor Xenos Species in Warhammer 40k
« Reply #299 on: June 20, 2020, 12:31:57 pm »

True that.
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