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knutor

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Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« on: June 01, 2020, 12:58:17 am »

I've not been getting any nice tamed pets from my last elf caravans. Overpriced acorns. bleh! I have interogated their 5 merchants, on last visit. I'd like to throw one in jail. Anyone try this? I know he didnt steal the artifact, I just wanna haul him off into jail. Will the elf-dorf relationship suffer, that they fail to return next yr, I dont want to start a war, just yet.
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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2020, 01:26:55 am »

I've convicted innocents before. I thought blaming a dead person wouldn't hurt. It gave a lot of bad thoughts to my dwarves. Causing stress. Stress is bad.
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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2020, 07:06:03 pm »

Dwarves don't like it if you convict a corpse or an animal (specifically, I think the animal one triggers if the convicted creature lacks [CAN_LEARN] in its raws).

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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2020, 10:14:47 pm »

If you want the elves to bring better stuff, then make sure your Wood, Food, and Clothing stockpiles are full - if they aren't, they'll focus on bringing those instead of picking random goods.
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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2020, 12:16:36 pm »

Update:

It broke the caravan. Only their horses pathed off map edge. 5 merchant elves were arrested. I think, merchants hung around tavern after their Interviews. Gained no criminal knowledge, from them, but their stuff is in Depot. Dunno what relationship did, should look... hmm

Incidently, I sold some metalcaged criminals to them, got them back. One was 'Opposed to Life' Interviewed them all, AGAIN!

Odd thing. Split coins I sold to them, into 1 stacks, came back combined. Couldnt rebuy 1 stacks, part of Coinstar nerfs, I guess.

Got the 'failed to execute criminal' msg. Had a Hammerer, but no hammer. He didnt try again, when I had a hammer, or I gave up waiting, so I used dfHack 'Exterminate This' on criminals. They were mostly undead guests. Now I got caged corpses to deal with.
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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2020, 04:10:24 am »

You can select the corpses in the cages and dump them.
Careful you don't dump the cage itself.
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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2020, 06:24:22 am »

Thank you. dfHack makes long games possible and enjoyable. I do do dumping, however, some were wooden cages, and I didnt want escapees, so 'Autodump destroy' came in handy.

Going with a new guest policy. To buy time, and keep dorf pop high. Interviewing every guest, Cagey responses the Noble squad will attack. Keep in mind, this is a no stress Joyous embark, in a PerfectWorld.

The guests that join to perform a function, dance, sing, scholar, or soldier, accept. Those monster slayers, have been doing nice cellar cleanup. I've updated their gear. Bluejay Man Axe, has been stacking up kills with his new small bluejay man steel gear.

Cavern 2 is closed. Cavern 3 I farm with my squads. Cavern 1 is being managed by the 4-5 Monsterslayers. One now is standing, ha camping, at C1 map edge break, waiting for a spawn.

Ive no enemies on civ map, but I did find an aeful bug there. The donut that surrounds a civ loc, HIDES points of interests. Ive monastary in an adjacent tile to POI, completely hidden from colored donut, telling me its peaceful.

Has a bunch of books, too.
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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2020, 08:19:10 am »

The guests that join to perform a function, dance, sing, scholar, or soldier, accept. Those monster slayers, have been doing nice cellar cleanup. I've updated their gear. Bluejay Man Axe, has been stacking up kills with his new small bluejay man steel gear.

At the risk of making my tavern brawls more deadly to my dwarves than visitors ( Every dwarf trains one month per year and armed to the teeth, berserking dwarves are !fun! ), how do you upgrade the gear of monster slayers ?
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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2020, 10:35:13 am »

I am curious too, if there is any way in vanilla to upgrade gear of monster slayers.

with dfhack you can use forceequip. The command tries to put any armor that is on the ground at the selected units location (this way you can put armor on animals too). It will only equip armor, no weapons.

you can also use changeitem q 5 m INORGANIC:STEEL to change items into steel masterwork items.

lastly you can use createitem item while selecting a quiver and then createitem AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_BOLTS INORGANIC:STEEL 30 to keep the ranged monster slayers shooting.

Except for forceequip, it is all heavy cheating. So are there any alternatives? Any way to make a monster slayer pick up a weapon, even its own, after lost in a battle?
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Re: Convicting the elf merchant of crime he didnt do
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2020, 12:45:20 am »

I know of no way, besides dfHack.

/stripcaged weapon or long slow vanilla way, with dumpall, undump cage.

Release caged monster slayer with lever, and hope they grab a better equipment. never tried that. Have you? 

I noticed tavern patrons getting tossed in cages, if you give cages to a tavern. In that, there mght be a way besides Justice, to cage one.

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