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Dragula

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Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« on: May 10, 2020, 06:32:21 am »

Or is only water good enough? Noticed this issue when embarked in a frozen biome with only salt water. I had plenty of booze mind you, but the patients in the hospital were still dying of dehydration.
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Urist9876

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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2020, 07:00:09 am »

No they do not. They need clean water.

Water gets cleaned when using a corkscrew between the salt water and water storage.
Build roof over water to prevent freezing.

If it is frozen all time you need to dig until you find water in a cavern.

Dwarves need clean water for cleaning themselves too or some will die from infections.
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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2020, 07:14:46 am »

No they do not. They need clean water.

Water gets cleaned when using a corkscrew between the salt water and water storage.
Build roof over water to prevent freezing.

If it is frozen all time you need to dig until you find water in a cavern.

Dwarves need clean water for cleaning themselves too or some will die from infections.
Unerstood! Will be digging deeper! Screw pumps will be needed!
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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2020, 07:25:33 am »

You probably don't need screw pumps for the cavern water if your well isn't too many z-levels above it. (More z-levels = longer time to lower bucket.)
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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2020, 08:16:46 am »

Screw pumps are needed to clean contaminated water (murky pool, salt, various blood etc. substances), but otherwise having water source with a 2 Z level depth is enough to avoid muddy water.

It's a real challenge to embark where there is no water at all (including caverns), but it is possible to re-hydrate hospitalized dorfs by disabling the hospital and releasing its patients from their traction benches by deconstructing the benches. Once they've boozed up they can be sent back for further treatment. You're going to have trouble with infections, though.
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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2020, 10:15:14 am »

The first underground river is a lot of z levels down, so yes pumps are needed.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2020, 04:23:17 am »

While some water is needed, it's in small quantities.

Bucket brigade could fill a very small cistern. Big ones will have water evaporated when hauling over long distances.

Minecarts could fill a larger cistern. Either move minecarts at high speed through water to fill them or make a room to pump water on the minecart and remove water from room when minecart filled.

Screw pumps in a pump stack are good at getting loads of water or magma to the surface.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2020, 07:25:40 am »

While some water is needed, it's in small quantities.

Bucket brigade could fill a very small cistern. Big ones will have water evaporated when hauling over long distances.

Minecarts could fill a larger cistern. Either move minecarts at high speed through water to fill them or make a room to pump water on the minecart and remove water from room when minecart filled.

Screw pumps in a pump stack are good at getting loads of water or magma to the surface.

Well, you can fill a larger cistern with water using the bucket brigade (or the new slow aquifer) by first filling a smaller basin and let it out into a larger one when full. The important thing there is to ensure the water level is at least 2/7 in the larger basin to block evaporation when filling it directly. This also means you don't want a larger basin that is many Z levels deep and where each higher level is one tile higher than the previous one, as you'll get evaporation from the new surface area each time you reach a new level (a sufficiently large feeder basin can help to some extent, and it's also possible to either make a series of feeders, each successively larger, or several smaller ones that are filled and then have their water released into the "real" basin at the same time).
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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2020, 11:20:55 am »

Your short-term objectives should be to get enough water for emergencies and to keep pond grabbers and giant olms out. Then, worry about the massive water project.

When cavern water is the only fresh water available, I pump water into a 4x4 room, then seal the entrance to the cavern lake. This is enough water for a few years.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2020, 12:35:26 pm »

Your short-term objectives should be to get enough water for emergencies and to keep pond grabbers and giant olms out. Then, worry about the massive water project.

When cavern water is the only fresh water available, I pump water into a 4x4 room, then seal the entrance to the cavern lake. This is enough water for a few years.
If I cannot use the water in a freezing biome to turn goblins into icicles why am I even playing Dwarf Fortress?!
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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2020, 02:28:26 pm »

Isn't goblin-suffering always the long-term objective?
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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2020, 02:30:04 am »

Stacking abilities by repeating freezing over and reanimating corpses is a nice new hobby with this release. Might be possible in that frozen environment. Just need a necromancer. Or several even better.

It's not always the goblins. Sometimes it's the elves. Or the children. Or the corpse stockpile. Something is going to get it in DF:)
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2020, 09:19:24 am »

Stacking abilities by repeating freezing over and reanimating corpses is a nice new hobby with this release. Might be possible in that frozen environment. Just need a necromancer. Or several even better.

It's not always the goblins. Sometimes it's the elves. Or the children. Or the corpse stockpile. Something is going to get it in DF:)
There are only two races in DF. Dwarfs and Goblins. If you are not a dwarf you are a goblin.
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Re: Do patients in hospital drink booze?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2020, 10:45:13 am »

There are only two races in DF. Dwarfs and Elves. If you are not a dwarf you are an elf.
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