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[Shonai_Dweller]

The need for "decent meals" caused by certain dwarves who feel the need to eat something very specific (fox heart, penguin liver, etc) is basically a bug and should be ignored. You can't see what the exact need is without Dfhack and you'll never satisfy every dwarf because most of the time the ingredients are impossible to get hold of. There are a whole load of other needs you can meet instead, it's not important.

You're probably confused because some people go into way, way too much detail when basic questions are asked on this forum.

Dwarves will get bored of drinking the same booze repeatedly though, that you can solve with variety.

(Lavish, easy or fine meals don't have any relationship to dorf's thoughts on "decent meals" right now, for some reason. They either get what they want specifically, or they complain. Lavish meals are a great source of income though).

[Starver]

I think  a easy meal is the only one without fish and meat ingrediënt (it a biscuit made from ?)

An easy meal has two ingredients, creating biscuits;
A fine meal has three ingredients, creating a stew;
A lavish meal has four ingredients, and is called a roast.

Apart from at least one component not being a liquid ingredient, there's not much restriction or requirement involved (beyond the way it 'randomly' chooses what gets ploughed into the reaction) so you could probably end up with a meat'nfish biscuit or a totally vegetable stew or perhaps a "flour, flour, flour and flour" roast. (The type-name given relates to the complexity rather than the contents.)

[janamdo]

You're probably confused because some people go into way, way too much detail when basic questions are asked on this forum.

Dwarves will get bored of drinking the same booze repeatedly though, that you can solve with variety.

(Lavish, easy or fine meals don't have any relationship to dorf's thoughts on "decent meals" right now, for some reason. They either get what they want specifically, or they complain. Lavish meals are a great source of income though).

Thanks
There are lot things to deal with in DF
I try to play as simple as i can with the food production, because with shortage all ends
Also unpredictable happenings at the start of the forttress,  can ruin it.

In the current fortress there was a wild animal what toppled workshops ( attacking with one hunter did not help) , so the foodproduction was in danger

Crisis management needed. 
 

[janamdo]

Apart from at least one component not being a liquid ingredient, there's not much restriction or requirement involved (beyond the way it 'randomly' chooses what gets ploughed into the reaction) so you could probably end up with a meat'nfish biscuit or a totally vegetable stew or perhaps a "flour, flour, flour and flour" roast. (The type-name given relates to the complexity rather than the contents.)

Thanks
It seems that in the "biscuit" meals there is Always as ingeredient : fish or meat or plants only?
Can't get this not clear yet   

[Starver]

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you actually asked there. I also apologise for tending to be overwordy myself, which it seems may occasionally even confuse my fellow native anglophones. (Or myself!)

I don't know if perhaps http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Kitchen might help. (Many more words, but none of them are mine!) If it doesn't, try here again?

[janamdo]

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you actually asked there. I also apologise for tending to be overwordy myself, which it seems may occasionally even confuse my fellow native anglophones. (Or myself!)

I don't know if perhaps http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Kitchen might help. (Many more words, but none of them are mine!) If it doesn't, try here again?

Thanks
What the meals exactly are ? ..needs more study wiki

For the second time a soldier of Tanbanna ( wild animal) sneaks into the fort, just before i finished the defence bridges 
Again demolish the workshops: it runs thru the defend cages, but now i could the animal sealed in a room.
This happens at the beginning of the fortress and a 3 -man  squad is not strong enough ( i did not checked their equipment, but they lose the battle ), but you have to built in a defence to isolate this animal and also it wil be not also possible to cage it.
 

[Starver]

Refreshing my own memory from the Wiki, the page http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Cook seems to give the most additionally useful info (including things I did not know/had not considered). Far better for your purposes, I think, than the more obvious "Prepared meals" link (Goods Created sidebar section) which links to the differently-useful Food page.

But I'll leave you to it.

[janamdo]

Thanks
Yes, i am curious what sorts of biscuits i can make from my current stock ? and in general for all meals 

[janamdo]

Its now for the third time that a Hostile creature ( a big red H from hostile ? )  visit my fortress ..has killed a lot of dorfs, so the fortress is now worthless ( there is nobody left from the now survived 38 dorfs who can build a wall )
A feathered humenoid nightcreature it seems to be hurt now (i try to seal with wall, but who can do it , no one reacts )

There were cages and probably is this creature flying over the cage
The bridge closing was better, but was not aware of this thread ( i missed it? ), so the bridge was still open

Detecting enemies ? ..looks mission impossible in DF       

[Shonai_Dweller]

Its now for the third time that a Hostile creature ( a big red H from hostile ? )  visit my fortress ..has killed a lot of dorfs, so the fortress is now worthless ( there is nobody left from the now survived 38 dorfs who can build a wall )
A feathered humenoid nightcreature it seems to be hurt now (i try to seal with wall, but who can do it , no one reacts )

There were cages and probably is this creature flying over the cage
The bridge closing was better, but was not aware of this thread ( i missed it? ), so the bridge was still open

Detecting enemies ? ..looks mission impossible in DF     

If it's an invasion, you get a message. Then close the drawbridge.
If it's a visitor, just ignore him.

If it's an ambush (extremely rare) then pasturing dogs at strategic points outside can help spot them quickly (then close the drawbridge). Works for werebeasts too.

Big H experimental creatures tend to be able to avoid traps. Same as Forgotten Beasts. Drawbridge is your friend.

[janamdo]

This humanoid flying creature is a invader wounded and in fortress, but there is no dorf who can build a wall to lock it. again lost  did not get the chance to go further with the metalsmith forge
 

[bloop_bleep]

Ok, just to be clear, you *do not need* cooked meals to stop your dwarves from starving. Simply gathering or farming plants or butchering domestic animals, producing raw plants and meat, can give your dwarves something to eat. If dwarves are starving focus on that part first before the kitchen and cooked meals.

[Starver]

One of my first acts in embarkation is to plan my underground fields, and dig out rooms for them, in the copious soil I like to embark in. (Before digging out near-surface rooms/corridors, I ensure trees on the level above are felled.) My usual design means it's one (and later on, more) 5x5 room, which I may fill with 5 1x5 farm plots.

(It may initially become a stockpile (or set of them) for the wagon goods I brought, but once there's somewhere else for that I set them back up as fields and plant ASAP, concentrating on the primary food crops.)

The big trick is to ensure you don't run out of seeds. Before any kitchen gets hold of them, ensure seeds aren't usable for cooking (at least until you're overproducing them), make sure there's dedicated stockpiles for them (I make both bag and non-bag stockpiles, near the fields; the non-bag ones show 'fullness' easier) and crops rotting in the field is a bad thing (though I stick with one farmer and farmer-only harvesting in the early game for skill-training, meaning I need to sure they aren't too busy).

Raw plump-helmet eating (and getting the seeds back into all available fields promptly) can keep you ticking over if you run out of anything/everything else (at least while in season), but not fulfilling for either you or your little guys. In early trade caravans I tend to buy any and all seeds I can, mixed with a good variety of actual foodstuffs.


Aboveground, there's Herbalism/Plant Gathering and fruit-picking zones, in some embark zones, if you aren't in danger of various attackers, and I have a little trick with overground farm plots sunken into the lower layer (easier defending, gets rid if "surface rock effect" to bring surface crops into my cultivation schemes. But a good soil-layer underground set of plots is my mainstay, and so I try to plan, and eventually fill, more than enough of these to support all the underground opportunities (without having to wet any rock) and shape the rest of the fort and its undustries around that. There's always exporting, later, if I overdo it.

[janamdo]

Thanks
Interesting for setting up a better food supply in the future, because yes i make myself easy with the easy meals foodproduction.
Here in the fortress is the question how to get rid off a dangerous enemy when it has entered
Are there inbuilt safety mechanism for this ?  ..the creature can be locked in a dungeon or smashed ?

It can fly the creature, so a falling down does not work .. a moving wall by a lever ?

[Starver]

My approach tends to be to not let them inside in the first place. I don't even often have anywhere near enough military to deal with an incoming threat, but I get around that by passive-aggressive architecture, as partially described elsewhere. If nothing else, I can just go Turtle-like (including surface areas like orchards) against almost all enemies. With pre-built contingencies for most threats that snuck in.

But this takes up far too much of my efforts (and has taken far too many prior fortresses that didn't quite go how I wanted, for either that reason or the myriad of others) to boil my experience down to "insert tab A into slot B"[1].

And didn't both Hawkeye (in the Avengers) and Kim Jong Un (in North Korea) hit a perfect hole-in-one the first time they played golf and then never played again, so you probably wouldn't want my to spoil your fantasy world with a foolproof perfect answer, that you haven't discovered yourself, anyway...


[1] Umm.. in papercrafts, don't they usually label the tabs and slots the same, rather than rely on such a look-up table? Never mind.