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[janamdo]

He must stop this hunting and construct a table now
There is no way to stop him from hunting now?
 

[PatrikLundell]

Because he's starving, and desperately seeks bugs to eat. You've somehow blocked his access to food through a broken path, a burrow, etc. Fix that problem and he'll go and eat. You can only make him work after he's eaten.

(It's extremely frustrating to realize you're out of food and desperately try to butcher an animal to get food, only to have the butcher refuse to work because he's busy hunting vermin...).

[janamdo]

Because he's starving, and desperately seeks bugs to eat. You've somehow blocked his access to food through a broken path, a burrow, etc. Fix that problem and he'll go and eat. You can only make him work after he's eaten.

Thanks
Blocked his access to food OR there is no food to find yet, because i was distracted by a enemy
Now i need setup a diningroom , but there is no table to construct  because the Carpenter is hunting

Its looks like on your butcher situation: in order to get the food , the dorf needed is busy with hunting 
A caravan with food ? or assign the Carpenter labor to another dorf ( how long do takes that ?)     

[PatrikLundell]

A table is not important. That's something dorfs want to have and get grumpy if they don't, but it's not life threatening. What you need is food, and yes, assigning the appropriate jobs to all available dorfs while disabling the non essential ones is your only chance to get through that crisis. When they're starving a caravan probably won't help much, as nobody will trade (or bring trade goods), although you might be able to steal food (assuming they haven't starved to death at that time).

Apart from a table not being essential, you don't really need a dining room either, as that's essentially an old mechanic which is now useful for noble satisfaction. The "modern" variant is a tavern, and that can be painted as a zone (which can be trimmed, if needed), but a tavern isn't essential for eating either. The main purpose of a tavern is to provide a place to socialize, although tables and chairs in it are useful in providing tables and chairs for eating without complaints. They'll eat in a library as well, though, if you provide tables and chairs there, and can actually use any free tables chairs for eating even if they're not indicated for any purpose (note that tables and chair that are not build are not available for anything other than being build).

[janamdo]

Apart from a table not being essential, you don't really need a dining room either, as that's essentially an old mechanic which is now useful for noble satisfaction. The "modern" variant is a tavern, and that can be painted as a zone (which can be trimmed, if needed), but a tavern isn't essential for eating either. The main purpose of a tavern is to provide a place to socialize, although tables and chairs in it are useful in providing tables and chairs for eating without complaints. They'll eat in a library as well, though, if you provide tables and chairs there, and can actually use any free tables chairs for eating even if they're not indicated for any purpose (note that tables and chair that are not build are not available for anything other than being build).

Thanks
The dorfs can eat everywhere in the fortress as i understand, if there is tables and chairs

In my case : they must eat now from the foodbarrel or other foodstorage container
It seems that the Carpenter has no entrance to the foodpile either (blocked or empty food storage container)   

A diningroom assignment from a table still exist and the dorfs don't have a preference where they do eat at seems ?
For their mood better of they can eat in luxuriuos diningroom ( statues ?, fontain ?,  smoothed walls en engraving ) with quality items for their comfort
For surviving starvation a foodbarrel is a lifesaver. 
   

[Starver]

(Just butting in because regularly getting "Urist McHunter cancels hunting: [In order to go] Hunting for vermin", amongst many other less ironic messages, is one of the reasons I chose this particular forum name.  Problem solved, mostly, once I stopped using hunters and fishing and got into agriculture with trade and non-roadkill butchery filling in on the flesh front. Not advice, this, with others giving you that. Just my particular story.)

[janamdo]

  Problem solved, mostly, once I stopped using hunters and fishing and got into agriculture with trade and non-roadkill butchery filling in on the flesh front. Not advice, this, with others giving you that. Just my particular story.)

Thanks
Agriculture and trade for meat/fish in order to bypass hunting and fishing dorf activities(because it is not a reliable foodsupply)
I never did hunting and fishing , because the kitchen has made meals + Booze, then fish and meat are not needed probably 

Don't know the physical or mental effect of not eating meat and fish for the dwarf ?.. has someone this scientifically inverstigate ?     
 

[Starver]

Oh, I don't think Veganuary Vegranite is an issue at all. _{(edit: Apart from the random Food Preference issues, of course, but that's a more general thing.)}

I just might as well buy in sweetmeats/etc if traders offer it (I'm not sure if it still helps them to think their trade items are needed, but I don't want them forgetting next time just 'cos I only went on a cloth binge the last time they passed by, or whatever) and one can tend to have too many animals (I tend to gravitate towards 2F+1M of anything that wanders my way, plus any young ones that may or may not arise from them) if you don't butcher some occasionally, maybe culling out the less interesting of them.

Farm plots can support everyone, once set up well with just the right amount of connected industry and dorfpower to make everything happen (though I still sometimes get too absorbed in some other aspect in a new fort and lag a bit behind where I should, so massive re-employment as non-farmer Plant Gatherers, dealing with traders and emergency butchery can be required) and then your only problem is proper usage and redistribution (or trading out) of what you produce.


Mostly, I immediately de-task (or fall them back to any secondary affinities) any fisherdwarf (including Fish Processing, because there's no need for them if there are no raw fish!) or hunter (a likely candidate for at least part-time military) who immigrates, because of their habit of wandering off into what's left of the wilds, probably to find themselves somewhere dangerous just as a siege arrives. Especially with the fishing tending to block their potential job-queue solid for the duration, so they couldn't even be draughted (<=pun, geddit? ) as an emergency brewer when stocks are low and everyone else is too busy on actual immediate-concern stuff.

Though I also tend to try to get just one actual famer (supposed to be the one picking the planted crops) in the early fort, while on-the-job-training is more important than the number of hands getting muddy. Anyone immigrating with appropriate farming skills that significantly rival my designated original farmer can join them, of course.

[PatrikLundell]

Nutrition is not modeled in DF currently. One piece of food is one piece of food, but if it is (or contains) a favored food ingredient you'll fulfill the decent meals need. The forum claims* the meal "quality" (essentially value, I think, as meal quality is a value multiplier) affects satisfaction from a meal only if it meets a need, and has no effect otherwise (the logic was changed when the current needs system was introduced).

*claims: I have no knowledge one way or another.

[Starver]

Whoops just remembered about that and jumped back in there to edit something about that detail into my last reply, not noticing that you... at about the same time, were posting yourself.

*JINX*! 

[Sarmatian123]

janamdo, do not twitch has any stream showing basics of Fortress Mode? o.O

[janamdo]

janamdo, do not twitch has any stream showing basics of Fortress Mode? o.O

Is twitch different from YouTube vids ?..yes for gamers.
The basics of the fortress mode is rather extensive and i faces all the time new events ( no fortress is the same )
I must respond on new situations in the fortress

Its important to try keep focus on food and drink with all the conditions for this, otherwise it can be go wrong very fast

[janamdo]

Nutrition is not modeled in DF currently. One piece of food is one piece of food, but if it is (or contains) a favored food ingredient you'll fulfill the decent meals need.

A decent meal , must be enough for feeding the dorfs and the ingredients in the 3 meals differ
If the decent meal contain fish or meat, then i must provide this.   

[PatrikLundell]

Nutrition is not modeled in DF currently. One piece of food is one piece of food, but if it is (or contains) a favored food ingredient you'll fulfill the decent meals need.

A decent meal , must be enough for feeding tehe dorfs and the ingredients in the 3 meals differ
If the decent meal contain fish or meat, then i must provide this.   

You're free to invent your own theories, disconnected from the research performed by the forum.

[janamdo]

You're free to invent your own theories, disconnected from the research performed by the forum.

Well , i don't know yet what research is performed on this subject of meals by the forum?
Its only my idea of a meal without research, that's all
Wiki can give more information about the subject of meals

I think  a easy meal is the only one without fish and meat ingrediënt (it a biscuit made from ?)