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[Zonhin]

helium, you try waaaaaay too hard.

[McDoomhammer]

I have no desire to join a debate so I address this to no-one in particular, but since we're talking about graphics versus ASCII, all I want to say is this: when, on what I will call my first serious fort, I watched my out-of-ammo hunter get ambushed by a giant cave spider, webbed, and promptly torn to little bits.  I realised that it could destroy my entire fort by itself.  I watched it whenever I had nothing better to do, tried to make plans to avoid it.  I started calling it Old Forkmirror to myself (the dwarves named it Forkmirror).  That thing was, quite literally, the scariest letter S I've ever encountered.  
My point is, the game evoked that emotional reaction in me.  All on its own, regardless of the complete lack of resemblance of the symbol S to a giant 8-legged death machine of evil doom.  No tile, nor any stunningly-rendered 3D monster, could have enhanced that experience for me.  That's what's important.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

I've been putting a link to DF's main page in all my forum signatures.  Hope that helps.

I don't really care either way for graphics though when I loaded up the new version without them I was struck by just how jaggy the letters look by default.  It'd be cool to get some sort of smoothed ASCII graphic set.  The one I had been using up to that point had been a bit annoying because of a number of glitches.  "O"s appearing as barrels, and whatnot.

EDIT:  Whoops, missed this page.  Oh well.

[ February 06, 2008: Message edited by: Ioric Kittencuddler ]

[Skanky]

quote:Originally posted by McDoomhammer:
<STRONG>My point is, the game evoked that emotional reaction in me.  All on its own, regardless of the complete lack of resemblance of the symbol S to a giant 8-legged death machine of evil doom.  No tile, nor any stunningly-rendered 3D monster, could have enhanced that experience for me.  That's what's important.</STRONG>

Well stated. :b:

[The-Moon]

quote:Originally posted by Torak:
<STRONG>If people base thier entire opinion on a game after first impressions, they can fuck off and not play, those people are always the ones you don't want supporting a game.

Look what happened to The Elder Scrolls.</STRONG>

Hey wait just a minute....

Were aloud to say fuck?  

So in other words i can say shit, the best slang term there is?  

I was making careful sure not to curse. However...

[ February 06, 2008: Message edited by: The-Moon ]

[Kagus]

I used to play a Half-Life2 mod called "Zombie Master" on this one server which had auto curse-filtering.  However, it did it *curse*, which means that it would pick out any and all letter combinations that happened to spell a logged swear word, regardless of what word it was in.

This was meant to prevent players from saying something like iSHIT!i, or stuuf like that, but it only had the effect of pissing off more players by cancelling what seemed to be random words.

For instance, I once tried telling my team to barricade the basement and all just hold off the hordes, and my message got cancelled.  After some testing, I found the word it was picking up on.

"Basement".  Ten points to the guy who figures out why it was picking this word out.  

And no, it's not because one of the server admins had a childhood trauma involving a basement (one of the guys ingame already suggested that).

[Lord Licorice]

quote:Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>I used to play a Half-Life2 mod called "Zombie Master" on this one server which had auto curse-filtering.  However, it did it *curse*, which means that it would pick out any and all letter combinations that happened to spell a logged swear word, regardless of what word it was in.

This was meant to prevent players from saying something like iSHIT!i, or stuuf like that, but it only had the effect of pissing off more players by cancelling what seemed to be random words.

For instance, I once tried telling my team to barricade the basement and all just hold off the hordes, and my message got cancelled.  After some testing, I found the word it was picking up on.

"Basement".  Ten points to the guy who figures out why it was picking this word out.  

And no, it's not because one of the server admins had a childhood trauma involving a basement (one of the guys ingame already suggested that).</STRONG>

I've run into similar problems with "wish it" (the filter would account for spaces) and "shaft" (nothing like telling someone there are terrorists in the ventilation shaft or elevator shaft four times before realizing the message isn't getting through, and bullets are piercing rather vital parts of the anatomy).

[penguinofhonor]

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[The-Moon]

quote:Do you want to please the new users or the loyal current ones?

I mean, Toady would have to stop what he's doing with gameplay updates to get a great, official graphics set.[/QB]

Doesn't need to be great. I just thought it would be nice if he included some of the already made graphics with the game.  

Wouldn't take up much of his time at all really.

I don't see why there would be any problems with that?

[helium]

Each time Toady included anything new he would have to contact the one responsible for the graphics and wait for $n days before releasing a new version. Also Toady would be responsible for the gfx-pack and would have to search it each time for viruses and hidden swastikas.

[Red Jackard]

quote:Absurdity posted by helium:
hidden swastikas          

Folks drag these conversations on way longer than they need to... you made your point earlier on, is there really anything important left to add?

[ February 07, 2008: Message edited by: Red Jackard ]

[The-Moon]

quote:Originally posted by helium:
<STRONG>Each time Toady included anything new he would have to contact the one responsible for the graphics and wait for $n days before releasing a new version. Also Toady would be responsible for the gfx-pack and would have to search it each time for viruses and hidden swastikas.</STRONG>

It seems your doing a pretty good job finding excuses as too why toady cant do this.

He doesn't have to wait on graphics, since graphics are not a requirement to having the game running correctly.    

Graphics are either in *.bmp format, or *.png. Neither of which can contain anything harmful. Only *.jpeg / *jpg are capable of containing virus's.

Also it only takes about a minute to look over a picture and check and see if theres anything bad in it.

Unless toady's monitor has a lot of bad pixels in it that went black, then he might have a problem.

Not that i really care to debate this anymore. What ever toady does is perfectly fine with me, I'm not complaining.

[ February 07, 2008: Message edited by: The-Moon ]

[McDoomhammer]

Okay, we've established everyone's views and that no-one wishes to concede the point.  The first person to be sane enough to walk away wins cookies.

[Skanky]

Minced kitten cookies?

[McDoomhammer]

with exceptionally minced hydra tallow, yes.