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« on: March 21, 2020, 06:48:25 am »

Is sex in this game as graphic as the battles, or implied by a cheeky innuendo? Do they have fetishes or whatnot?
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Re: Sex
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2020, 07:01:44 am »

Is sex in this game as graphic as the battles, or implied by a cheeky innuendo? Do they have fetishes or whatnot?
Nope.
No.
No.

Maybe.....play the game? It's free you know.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2020, 07:20:38 am »

The only indication of it having occurred is when a female has become pregnant (which requires DFHack scripts to detect).
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Re: Sex
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2020, 10:05:40 am »

Is sex in this game as graphic as the battles, or implied by a cheeky innuendo? Do they have fetishes or whatnot?
Nope.
No.
No.

Maybe.....play the game? It's free you know.
Maybe if the game gets a user interface of some kind, and doesn't cause crippling lag after awhile...

The only indication of it having occurred is when a female has become pregnant (which requires DFHack scripts to detect).
I am not complaining, but I do see it as...humorous? When a game is so detailed cats get drunk from licking beer droplets from their fur, and so graphically violent, that physical lovemaking is the place where we say this is going too far dang nabbit! Think of the children! Just... modern society is weird.
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Re: Sex
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2020, 10:26:09 am »

[...] physical lovemaking is the place where we say this is going too far dang nabbit! Think of the children!

*Reasons we don't talk about Obok Meatgod*
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2020, 10:14:17 pm »

The impregnation happens when the two dwarves are, uh, milling about in adjacent tiles.

Attach whatever meaning to that you wish.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2020, 10:58:19 pm »

Unless you've accidentally bought into the hype (as people who refuse to play the game often do) that Dwarf Fortress is some kind of reality simulator, it's pretty weird to call out Tarn for not simulating something in his computer game. Every computer game has stuff they don't simulate. It's kind of completely normal.

There's a combat system which attempts to provide a simulation of combat without using hit points. Because the aim of the game was to provide a simulation of combat without using hit points.

There's no detailed descriptions of sex because there's no gameplay element there. It's just detailed descriptions of sex. You'll notice that "socializing" is just "socializing". There's no  explanation to the player of the hand gestures, small talk, gossip mongering, drinking games, skinship and whatever else one could imagine socializing to consist of. It's the same thing, adds nothing to the game. Might be nice, yeah, but he's making a game by himself there's only so much time in one lifetime.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2020, 12:02:08 pm »


Maybe.....play the game? It's free you know.
Maybe if the game gets a user interface of some kind, and doesn't cause crippling lag after awhile...

The only indication of it having occurred is when a female has become pregnant (which requires DFHack scripts to detect).
I am not complaining, but I do see it as...humorous? When a game is so detailed cats get drunk from licking beer droplets from their fur, and so graphically violent, that physical lovemaking is the place where we say this is going too far dang nabbit! Think of the children! Just... modern society is weird.

A:) I'm not really sure what you're here for if you don't even play the game! We're a friendly bunch, but this particular discussion has been had MANY times before. I suggest you use the search function before opening a new thread.

B:)I agree, American society in particular is a bit sheltered when it comes to sex. However you are missing the point of DF: to create fantasy stories! Yes, some stories have sexual encounters, but it's not exactly the main draw unless you're reading some real trash. DF is not trying to be an 'everything' simulator, despite what you read in the once-yearly journalistic exposé (which is also where you picked up the notion the UI is nonfunctional and the lag is unbearable. . neither of which is true), and ultimately I think it's a subject Toady has decided to stay away from. For now. Much like dwarven toilets, it's a thing that certainly happens, but it's not something calculated or observable.

If you think about it, DF is much more liberal with the depiction of sex than most other citybuilder games. Dwarves can be straight, gay, asexual, and in the new version they can take multiple lovers. This is MUCH better than Rimworld, for instance, whose creator has argued against including non-binary sexuality in his game. That's a story for another day, however.
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Re: Sex
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2020, 01:51:13 pm »

I believe Toady didn't want to detail sex as more of a reflection on "will this bring positive or negative reviews/attention to the game" rather than any puritanical thoughts. Same with the issue of urine and faeces, really.

The most raunchy parts of the game is dwarves feeling lust and sexual attraction, and expressing those. That's about all. There were tentacle demons (which is pretty much exactly what it says on the tin) back then in the old versions, but those have been removed and it is likely for the better.

The game is fine without it. Now I'm somewhat sure people will mod it to do otherwise. There are probably already mods for it.

There is a part of the game yet to be developed that will be dedicated to love and romance (random love poem generator !), I believe. That's about it.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2020, 02:03:20 pm »

I feel afraid to ask, but how are tentacle demons related to, uh, lustful feelings?
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2020, 02:52:26 pm »

I feel afraid to ask, but how are tentacle demons related to, uh, lustful feelings?
PTW because I maybe want to know this too.
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2020, 06:51:01 pm »

I was more using tentacle demons as an example of "raunchy things" than "lustful feelings". Feelings are much later than 40d, where tentacle demons were. Back then dwarves just had a simple thought system.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/40d:Tentacle_demon

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Re: Sex
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2020, 07:06:13 pm »

It's a lewd joke that isn't sorely missed.

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2020, 07:28:00 pm »

Oof. That's... that's something.
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2020, 09:10:55 am »

I'm ok with sex being not displayed in the game, but I realy wish my adventurer could start a dynasty. Sadly, this is not possible without reproductive behaviour. ;)
I once explained Dwarf Fortress to my girlfriend, using The Sims as an example. That game has sex implemented, but manages to go around the delicate parts.

As for exciting storytelling: Love > Sex. And even though storys of rape could be intresting, many people wouldn't enjoy them, I guess.
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