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[Cook100500]

Also on another copy of the save I've forwarded the clock by a ridiculous amount to the year 1000, and the game appears stable (or at least doesn't crash every few days as reported earlier) I've progressed a month or four without crashes, presumably because whatever causes the crash might have died of old age. Not sure if that will last but I'm out of testing time for today (and will not have further time to test this week)

If you skipped less than 4 months it could not crash just because crashes begin about 3-4 months playing into the save, after 6th hematite. But if it actually works thats narrows it down a little

[Lurker Z]

So, I'm not much in a hurry to play, but I have time for the foreseeable future. Do I leave it a few days for some more troubleshooting? I'd do the year 1000 thing, but there are issues I'm worried about:
* Most mortal historical figures would die of old age, either as soon as my turn started or after encountering them. Hell, we might lose all but one of the dwarven civs from playing, and even that might be random. We might even lose all the human civs.
* Is it just tricking the game with a fake date? I don't know how to do that. Bralbaard would either have to guide me or give me the test save he made - or to make the skip himself and upload the save.
* As we are, I think the year 1000 solution might be even worse as turning the clock two turns back.
As it is, neither of the two options seem appealing and year 1000 solution might actually be the most apocalyptic of the two. I'm willing to wait as long as it takes for either this to be fixed or to hear out Bralbaard's opinion on what option we should use. I personally strongly suggest against using the year 1000 solution.

If you skipped less than 4 months it could not crash just because crashes begin about 3-4 months playing into the save, after 6th hematite. But if it actually works thats narrows it down a little

The way I understand it, he used a dfhack command to trick the game that it's in the year 1000 without progressing the game the normal way through the calendar screen. The game keeps track of historical figures' death age and likely killed the offending unit before it could move wherever it wanted to. So, 4 months was an arbitrary time to test if it runs smoothly, I figure it would have worked with 4 years or more too.

[Bralbaard]

You are right on all those issues Lurker, for now the year 1000 thing was just for the purpose of testing. It is certainly not how I would want to move forward since almost all historical figures would die of old age. I have also definitely not tested long enough to know if it is actually stable, I think the four months without crashes could still be random luck.
Also before you start playing we still need to resolve Cook100500's turn.

@Cook100500; I moved to the year 1000 from your troubleshooting save, so basically on the same date as the crash. 

[Cook100500]

The way I understand it, he used a dfhack command to trick the game that it's in the year 1000 without progressing the game the normal way through the calendar screen. The game keeps track of historical figures' death age and likely killed the offending unit before it could move wherever it wanted to. So, 4 months was an arbitrary time to test if it runs smoothly, I figure it would have worked with 4 years or more too.

Didnt know the game would do that, huh. So everyone has their natural age of death already? Sinister.
Will try massacring few forts and sites in test runs to see if that will somehow help, but that's like searching for a needle in a hay stack. There is a chance of fixing by blind luck but i hope someone knowlegable enough finds the solution

[Lurker Z]

So everyone has their natural age of death already? Sinister.

https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Immortality#DFHack
I made this section myself.

Spoiler: Off-topic reply (click to show/hide)

With this method, you can see their natural age of death, as well as modify it. Immortal creatures, including gobs and elves, have -1. That's how I made some creatures immortal, but some don't stick between saves for some reason (thankfully, it doesn't seem to have harmed the game; I did it on the logic that -1 is a natural value to goblins and if you go vamp or necro, the game changes the value to -1 so this is a natural part of the game). There's even a section under the year death for what I suspect is the exact month and day, presumably even the exact tick, but I can't make heads or tails of the number, so I leave it alone.

I've also discovered that creatures like trolls and I think trogs and some other semi-megabeasts like sasquatches are not immortal, but can live between 500 and 1000 years. We actually have at least one sasquatch, Guardsorrow the Insensitive, who had an age of about 800 years and died of old age in Orid Xem. There's also Balancesenses the Single and Enteredbraided the Wooden Trial.

There's an interesting effect where this affects this, if you full-heal -r an animal (or probably any creature) who died of old age in fortress mode, it'll keel over the next few seconds, because the game checks date of death and insta-kills the creature. You can do this as many times as you want, the game will keep killing that creature until you modify the date of death.

[kesperan]

Catching up with these developments….

As I understand it, one of the NPCs in Silverthrone is causing the bug, and if time is advanced into the future when they are presumably dead, the bug is fixed?

So I guess the solution is to time skip by the smallest possible amount to minimise disruption and unnecessary NPC deaths? That sounds like a trial/error solution. What’s everyone thinking?

[Lurker Z]

Kill everyone in Seńamatem except Jas and his line, they're family-less unimportant creatures anyway, see if that fixes it. If not, kill everyone or just Jas' line to see if one of Jas' line is responsible for this. If it's someone from Jas' line, narrow it down until we know who we have to kill to get the game running again.

I honestly hope it'd be that simple, but I'm worried it's related to someone in Seńamatem going to a site nobody else would go to, and that this would trigger the problem again.

I kept thinking this, but I keep forget to mention it, but Warshrieks and Newworld breaking should be alarm bells, because they worked including to be retired by their founders, yet they broke between turns. That means the worm there's a mechanism which breaks sites and/or creatures during turns, which is very worrying.

Suggestion to easily kill creatures: use the exterminate command, but before, locate Jas' line, so you know where they are to resurrect them (full-heal -r) after the purge.

Edit: Is there a dfhack command that outright erases a creature/item off the map? Exterminate still requires a click for the creature to keel over, still leaves a body and only works on living creatures.

[Bralbaard]

One thing I noticed is that when you embark with a new group, you currently have the possibility to start with a bunch of humans instead of dwarves and you also receive a ridiculous amount of embark points. I guess that means some raw changes have been made that still affect the game. I'm not sure if any of that could be related,  (replacing the raws with an older version does not fix it, and possibly only makes it worse, the game appears to only get stuck faster, not sure what is going on there..)

I've tried to follow up on this. It's weird that going back to the original raws makes the game even more unstable. With the original raws the game just seems to crash instantly, even when timeskipping to the year 1000, or whenever. It's almost as if the save game now depends on modded raws, even when it was started in vanilla.

[Lurker Z]

Since you don't use Legends Viewer, this might be of interest to you in troubleshooting:

https://i.imgur.com/dNOI5RI.png

From what I understand, these people have the title of Commander, but they're listed in the Law-Giver list for Omon Obin. I initially took it as a curious, but ultimately irrelevant little quirk of whatever mod was used. Whether it has some significance in what you describe, I can't say, but we may as well explore all avenues.

[Eric Blank]

yeah, its generally inadvisable to make any major changes to the raws of a world. Especially since a lot of the modifications were additions, like adding all the weapons to the dwarf civ and making humans playable. You start taking things away that the save assumes were available, that can cause a crash.

[nogoodnames]

If it is in fact related to Silverthrone, I wonder if it's something to do with The Realm Of Silver itself owning Silverthrone, instead of a site government? I don't think civilizations can normally own sites directly.

[kesperan]

I've tried to follow up on this. It's weird that going back to the original raws makes the game even more unstable. With the original raws the game just seems to crash instantly, even when timeskipping to the year 1000, or whenever. It's almost as if the save game now depends on modded raws, even when it was started in vanilla.

This again must be a recent change. In each of my turns I have reinstated the base raws before starting so I could change graphics packs without issue. The ability to play as humans was not there until recently either.

I must confess to adding all recipes to dwarves using dfhack as the Walled Dye didn’t have access to high boots!

I’m afraid the game has mutated by multiple people tinkering with it. I hope it’s salvagable.

[nogoodnames]

I might have narrowed down the cause. After unretiring Silverthrone, I noticed that a number of dwarves humans were marked as "Travelling". With how buggy the raid/mission system can be, that immediately struck me as a prime suspect. I disbanded the entire military, except one where I couldn't because the commander was travelling. The nobles screen still showed two travellers (that commander and one other) so I killed them through dfhack. After that, I was able to advance time a few days past the 6th, but then it froze again.

It seems like these travellers returning is the cause of the freeze, so if they're all killed that could fix it. I don't know if there's a quicker way to do it than manually looking up their histfig IDs and running `devel/kill-hf`. Since they're off-site I don't think exterminate will work. It's a bit of a pain needing to cross-reference the language files since the names are displayed in humanish in-game but English in the legends files.

[Lurker Z]

Would using the Masonry Method be easier? Do you want help? I can start making a list with their original names if it helps.

I'm noticing something else strange, some (if not all) of these Commanders have goblin last names. Not only this, but the original is even the same as in the goblin languages, even if the original in the human language should be different. What the hell is happening here? As I was making the list, I noticed only the first half of Commanders have goblin names. The second half have dwaven names. For some weird reason.

Spoiler: Commanders - raw list (click to show/hide)

24  897 the human Xenmu Spideryghoul Osmosposnun
25  888 the human Umung Stealseduce Uksosamxu
26  898 the human Nol Fellmalign Slaxuurar
27  890 the human Tobog Flymonster Atuolngo
28  889 the human Osmze Sinjackal Zolakem
29  889 the human Xenmu Doommenaced Ngomkutsmob
30  899 the human Asmuk Fiendhorror Zomdang
31  899 the human Bor Dungeonbad Bosastotho
32  892 the human Xenmu Nightmaresinful Baxzolak
33  893 the human Ustrok Stolenstolen Uksosuksos
34  900 the human Ok Tormentscorpion Nakostrodno
35  898 the human Nol Demonstolen Arstrukuksos
36  898 the human Sputo Malignedsin Urarzolak
37  893 the human Urdu Monstrouswicked Olngongerxung
38  896 the human Zoslu Malicesinful Xuspgaszolak
39  891 the human Asmuk Scourgehate Songstosbub
40  895 the human Uxzo Hatedread Stosbubngebzo
41  894 the human Roz Horrorhorror Dangdang
42  893 the human Ron Plaguehell Snodubgozru
43  889 the human Urdu Malignedblack Urarogur
44  893 the human Nolsmu Doomtorment Ngomnako
45  892 the human Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
46  895 the human Ost Hexsteal Aslotuksos
47  903 the human Strog Malignedwicked Urarngerxung
48  898 the human Enu Hatewitch Stosbubosta
49  895 the human Osm Scourgehatred Songsnamoz
50  898 the human Smug Doomedstolen Ngomuksos
51  899 the human Nolsmu Witchstolen Ostauksos
52  892 the human Ustrok Menacedevil Kutsmobusbu
53  889 the human Sasne Profanemaligned Ukgeurar
54  898 the human Zak Horrorwraith Dangmato
55  901 the human Nol Fiendtick Zomstasost
56  903 the human Stol Demonwere Arstrukbem
57  897 the human Stol Evilruthless Usbuozud
58  903 the human Asmuk Cruelvile Dostngospomosp
59  896 the human Urdu Profanedevil Ukgeazstrog
60  895 the human Oxsa Vilefiend Omospzom
61  902 the human Ostad Malignsteal Uraruksos
62  902 the human Ozse Flymalign Atuurar
63  895 the human Enu Fiendseduced Zomamxu
64  893 the human Smug Plaguehex Snodubaslot
65  888 the human Ustrok Vilewraith Omospmato
66  902 the human Ulu Seducedungeon Amxubosa
67  903 the human Dab Malignedcurse Urarngokang
68  900 the human Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
69  891 the human Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudxuspgas
70  896 the human Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
71  893 the human Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
72  895 the human Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
73  893 the human Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
74  895 the human Ucat Channeledwhip Cattenbomrek
75  900 the human Cagith Stakeconstruct Atīsaban
76  893 the human Othsin Rocksbridge Idsazir
77  901 the human Fak Bronzewalled Kilrudadil
78  901 the human Asen Knifeblockade Zasitmedtob
79  893 the human Lodel Ochreochre Nokimnokim
80  897 the human Dostob Swordpaged Dastotmorul
81  889 the human Alud Cloisteredstandard Oddomlorbam
82  903 the human Gost Arrowcopper Febgusil
83  891 the human Alath Painttraded Logemnish
84  901 the human Tilgil Keyroof Edemcilob
85  901 the human Cos Whippedmine Bomrekavuz
86  899 the human Metul Daggerfountain Uristzefon
87  899 the human Bukog Shootglove Keskalreg
88  899 the human Okag Treatystake Ilralatīs
89  903 the human As Cobaltfloor Letmosdakost
90  896 the human Lurak Castletown Rimtaramost
91  889 the human Denush Glazedmine Fikodavuz
92  890 the human Nokzam Tinrelic Akrulzaneg
93  905 the human Stidest Pillargloved Obokreg
94  894 the human Thol Attictrade Endoknish
95  895 the human Erong Helmshandle Zonerush
96  901 the human Shadkik Tombspainted Rakustlogem
97  897 the human Oril Pillarhall Obokīton
98  897 the human Berath Craftgate Rigothinod
99  896 the human As Channeledtreaty Cattenilral
100  892 the human Lakish Minebronze Avuzkilrud
101  896 the human Itdun Salveworked Sibrekducim
102  905 the human Ethbesh Paintcoal Logemrīsen
103  899 the human Egdoth Machinegilt Stākudoltar

Spoiler: Commanders v.2 (click to show/hide)

24  Xenmu Spideryghoul Osmosposnun
25  Umung Stealseduce Uksosamxu
26  Nol Fellmalign Slaxuurar
27  Tobog Flymonster Atuolngo
28  Osmze Sinjackal Zolakem
29  Xenmu Doommenaced Ngomkutsmob
30  Asmuk Fiendhorror Zomdang
31  Bor Dungeonbad Bosastotho
32  Xenmu Nightmaresinful Baxzolak
33  Ustrok Stolenstolen Uksosuksos
34  Ok Tormentscorpion Nakostrodno
35  Nol Demonstolen Arstrukuksos
36  Sputo Malignedsin Urarzolak
37  Urdu Monstrouswicked Olngongerxung
38  Zoslu Malicesinful Xuspgaszolak
39  Asmuk Scourgehate Songstosbub
40  Uxzo Hatedread Stosbubngebzo
41  Roz Horrorhorror Dangdang
42  Ron Plaguehell Snodubgozru
43  Urdu Malignedblack Urarogur
44  Nolsmu Doomtorment Ngomnako
45  Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
46  Ost Hexsteal Aslotuksos
47  Strog Malignedwicked Urarngerxung
48  Enu Hatewitch Stosbubosta
49  Osm Scourgehatred Songsnamoz
50  Smug Doomedstolen Ngomuksos
51  Nolsmu Witchstolen Ostauksos
52  Ustrok Menacedevil Kutsmobusbu
53  Sasne Profanemaligned Ukgeurar
54  Zak Horrorwraith Dangmato
55  Nol Fiendtick Zomstasost
56  Stol Demonwere Arstrukbem
57  Stol Evilruthless Usbuozud
58  Asmuk Cruelvile Dostngospomosp
59  Urdu Profanedevil Ukgeazstrog
60  Oxsa Vilefiend Omospzom
61  Ostad Malignsteal Uraruksos
62  Ozse Flymalign Atuurar
63  Enu Fiendseduced Zomamxu
64  Smug Plaguehex Snodubaslot
65  Ustrok Vilewraith Omospmato
66  Ulu Seducedungeon Amxubosa
67  Dab Malignedcurse Urarngokang
68  Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
69  Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudxuspgas
70  Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
71  Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
72  Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
73  Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
74  Ucat Channeledwhip Cattenbomrek
75  Cagith Stakeconstruct Atīsaban
76  Othsin Rocksbridge Idsazir
77  Fak Bronzewalled Kilrudadil
78  Asen Knifeblockade Zasitmedtob
79  Lodel Ochreochre Nokimnokim
80  Dostob Swordpaged Dastotmorul
81  Alud Cloisteredstandard Oddomlorbam
82  Gost Arrowcopper Febgusil
83  Alath Painttraded Logemnish
84  Tilgil Keyroof Edemcilob
85  Cos Whippedmine Bomrekavuz
86  Metul Daggerfountain Uristzefon
87  Bukog Shootglove Keskalreg
88  Okag Treatystake Ilralatīs
89  As Cobaltfloor Letmosdakost
90  Lurak Castletown Rimtaramost
91  Denush Glazedmine Fikodavuz
92  Nokzam Tinrelic Akrulzaneg
93  Stidest Pillargloved Obokreg
94  Thol Attictrade Endoknish
95  Erong Helmshandle Zonerush
96  Shadkik Tombspainted Rakustlogem
97  Oril Pillarhall Obokīton
98  Berath Craftgate Rigothinod
99  As Channeledtreaty Cattenilral
100  Lakish Minebronze Avuzkilrud
101  Itdun Salveworked Sibrekducim
102  Ethbesh Paintcoal Logemrīsen
103  Egdoth Machinegilt Stākudoltar

Spoiler: Commanders v.3 (click to show/hide)

# Xenmu Spideryghoul Osmosposnun
# Umung Stealseduce Uksosamxu
# Nol Fellmalign Slaxuurar
# Tobog Flymonster Atuolngo
# Osmze Sinjackal Zolakem
# Xenmu Doommenaced Ngomkutsmob
# Asmuk Fiendhorror Zomdang
# Bor Dungeonbad Bosastotho
# Xenmu Nightmaresinful Baxzolak
# Ustrok Stolenstolen Uksosuksos
# Ok Tormentscorpion Nakostrodno
# Nol Demonstolen Arstrukuksos
# Sputo Malignedsin Urarzolak
# Urdu Monstrouswicked Olngongerxung
# Zoslu Malicesinful Xuspgaszolak
# Asmuk Scourgehate Songstosbub
# Uxzo Hatedread Stosbubngebzo
# Roz Horrorhorror Dangdang
# Ron Plaguehell Snodubgozru
# Urdu Malignedblack Urarogur
# Nolsmu Doomtorment Ngomnako
# Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
# Ost Hexsteal Aslotuksos
# Strog Malignedwicked Urarngerxung
# Enu Hatewitch Stosbubosta
# Osm Scourgehatred Songsnamoz
# Smug Doomedstolen Ngomuksos
# Nolsmu Witchstolen Ostauksos
# Ustrok Menacedevil Kutsmobusbu
# Sasne Profanemaligned Ukgeurar
# Zak Horrorwraith Dangmato
# Nol Fiendtick Zomstasost
# Stol Demonwere Arstrukbem
# Stol Evilruthless Usbuozud
# Asmuk Cruelvile Dostngospomosp
# Urdu Profanedevil Ukgeazstrog
# Oxsa Vilefiend Omospzom
# Ostad Malignsteal Uraruksos
# Ozse Flymalign Atuurar
# Enu Fiendseduced Zomamxu
# Smug Plaguehex Snodubaslot
# Ustrok Vilewraith Omospmato
# Ulu Seducedungeon Amxubosa
# Dab Malignedcurse Urarngokang
# Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
# Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudxuspgas
# Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
# Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
# Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
# Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
# Ucat Channeledwhip Cattenbomrek
# Cagith Stakeconstruct Atīsaban
# Othsin Rocksbridge Idsazir
# Fak Bronzewalled Kilrudadil
# Asen Knifeblockade Zasitmedtob
# Lodel Ochreochre Nokimnokim
# Dostob Swordpaged Dastotmorul
# Alud Cloisteredstandard Oddomlorbam
# Gost Arrowcopper Febgusil
# Alath Painttraded Logemnish
# Tilgil Keyroof Edemcilob
# Cos Whippedmine Bomrekavuz
# Metul Daggerfountain Uristzefon
# Bukog Shootglove Keskalreg
# Okag Treatystake Ilralatīs
# As Cobaltfloor Letmosdakost
# Lurak Castletown Rimtaramost
# Denush Glazedmine Fikodavuz
# Nokzam Tinrelic Akrulzaneg
# Stidest Pillargloved Obokreg
# Thol Attictrade Endoknish
# Erong Helmshandle Zonerush
# Shadkik Tombspainted Rakustlogem
# Oril Pillarhall Obokīton
# Berath Craftgate Rigothinod
# As Channeledtreaty Cattenilral
# Lakish Minebronze Avuzkilrud
# Itdun Salveworked Sibrekducim
# Ethbesh Paintcoal Logemrīsen
# Egdoth Machinegilt Stākudoltar

Spoiler: Commanders v.4 (only original last names) (click to show/hide)

# Xenmu Osmosposnun
# Umung Uksosamxu
# Nol Slaxuurar
# Tobog Atuolngo
# Osmze Zolakem
# Xenmu Ngomkutsmob
# Asmuk Zomdang
# Bor Bosastotho
# Xenmu Baxzolak
# Ustrok Uksosuksos
# Ok Nakostrodno
# Nol Arstrukuksos
# Sputo Urarzolak
# Urdu Olngongerxung
# Zoslu Xuspgaszolak
# Asmuk Songstosbub
# Uxzo Stosbubngebzo
# Roz Dangdang
# Ron Snodubgozru
# Urdu Urarogur
# Nolsmu Ngomnako
# Lubu Stothoxuspgas
# Ost Aslotuksos
# Strog Urarngerxung
# Enu Stosbubosta
# Osm Songsnamoz
# Smug Ngomuksos
# Nolsmu Ostauksos
# Ustrok Kutsmobusbu
# Sasne Ukgeurar
# Zak Dangmato
# Nol Zomstasost
# Stol Arstrukbem
# Stol Usbuozud
# Asmuk Dostngospomosp
# Urdu Ukgeazstrog
# Oxsa Omospzom
# Ostad Uraruksos
# Ozse Atuurar
# Enu Zomamxu
# Smug Snodubaslot
# Ustrok Omospmato
# Ulu Amxubosa
# Dab Urarngokang
# Zak Nakoukge
# Ngub Ozudxuspgas
# Ugas Kutsmobsong
# Nolsmu Urarsmunstu
# Bor Aslotngoso
# Urdu Ostaosmosp
# Ucat Cattenbomrek
# Cagith Atīsaban
# Othsin Idsazir
# Fak Kilrudadil
# Asen Zasitmedtob
# Lodel Nokimnokim
# Dostob Dastotmorul
# Alud Oddomlorbam
# Gost Febgusil
# Alath Logemnish
# Tilgil Edemcilob
# Cos Bomrekavuz
# Metul Uristzefon
# Bukog Keskalreg
# Okag Ilralatīs
# As Letmosdakost
# Lurak Rimtaramost
# Denush Fikodavuz
# Nokzam Akrulzaneg
# Stidest Obokreg
# Thol Endoknish
# Erong Zonerush
# Shadkik Rakustlogem
# Oril Obokīton
# Berath Rigothinod
# As Cattenilral
# Lakish Avuzkilrud
# Itdun Sibrekducim
# Ethbesh Logemrīsen
# Egdoth Stākudoltar

Spoiler: Commanders part 2 (click to show/hide)

# the human Lanlar Citypulley Inethbesmar
# the human Egdoth Machinegilt Stakudoltar
# the human Suthmam Brassgravel Konosasen
# the human Mithreb Fisherales Edinkasmko
# the human Ontak Townpick Amosttekkud
# the human Tokri Trustcurl Monolluki
# the human Elot Bridgedwire Sazirnabar
# the human Berath Giltsmith Oltareshtān
# the human Vukcas Bellstin Rithakrul
# the human necromancer Nithros Planeentered Ramulneni
# the human Izeg Diamondpulley Dorenbesmar
# the human Minran Inkysabre Likotast
# the human Ilush Glovedroom Regmosus
# the human Bucsu Sealbakers Quenirhiner
# the human Fak Tombnet Rakustkib
# the human Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
# the human Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
# the human Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
# the human Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
# the human Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudkutsmob
# the human Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
# the human Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
# the human Enir Daggerrock Uristid
# the human Amkash Sculptedsnuggles Uthraworu

Spoiler: Commanders part 2 v2 (click to show/hide)

# Lanlar Inethbesmar
# Egdoth Stakudoltar
# Suthmam Konosasen
# Mithreb Edinkasmko
# Ontak Amosttekkud
# Tokri Monolluki
# Elot Sazirnabar
# Berath Oltareshtān
# Vukcas Rithakrul
# Nithros Ramulneni
# Izeg Dorenbesmar
# Minran Likotast
# Ilush Regmosus
# Bucsu Quenirhiner
# Fak Rakustkib
# Urdu Ostaosmosp
# Bor Aslotngoso
# Nolsmu Urarsmunstu
# Ugas Kutsmobsong
# Ngub Ozudkutsmob
# Zak Nakoukge
# Lubu Stothoxuspgas
# Enir Uristid
# Amkash Uthraworu

Spoiler: Commanders part 1 and 2 all names (click to show/hide)

# Xenmu Spideryghoul Osmosposnun
# Umung Stealseduce Uksosamxu
# Nol Fellmalign Slaxuurar
# Tobog Flymonster Atuolngo
# Osmze Sinjackal Zolakem
# Xenmu Doommenaced Ngomkutsmob
# Asmuk Fiendhorror Zomdang
# Bor Dungeonbad Bosastotho
# Xenmu Nightmaresinful Baxzolak
# Ustrok Stolenstolen Uksosuksos
# Ok Tormentscorpion Nakostrodno
# Nol Demonstolen Arstrukuksos
# Sputo Malignedsin Urarzolak
# Urdu Monstrouswicked Olngongerxung
# Zoslu Malicesinful Xuspgaszolak
# Asmuk Scourgehate Songstosbub
# Uxzo Hatedread Stosbubngebzo
# Roz Horrorhorror Dangdang
# Ron Plaguehell Snodubgozru
# Urdu Malignedblack Urarogur
# Nolsmu Doomtorment Ngomnako
# Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
# Ost Hexsteal Aslotuksos
# Strog Malignedwicked Urarngerxung
# Enu Hatewitch Stosbubosta
# Osm Scourgehatred Songsnamoz
# Smug Doomedstolen Ngomuksos
# Nolsmu Witchstolen Ostauksos
# Ustrok Menacedevil Kutsmobusbu
# Sasne Profanemaligned Ukgeurar
# Zak Horrorwraith Dangmato
# Nol Fiendtick Zomstasost
# Stol Demonwere Arstrukbem
# Stol Evilruthless Usbuozud
# Asmuk Cruelvile Dostngospomosp
# Urdu Profanedevil Ukgeazstrog
# Oxsa Vilefiend Omospzom
# Ostad Malignsteal Uraruksos
# Ozse Flymalign Atuurar
# Enu Fiendseduced Zomamxu
# Smug Plaguehex Snodubaslot
# Ustrok Vilewraith Omospmato
# Ulu Seducedungeon Amxubosa
# Dab Malignedcurse Urarngokang
# Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
# Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudxuspgas
# Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
# Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
# Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
# Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
# Ucat Channeledwhip Cattenbomrek
# Cagith Stakeconstruct Atīsaban
# Othsin Rocksbridge Idsazir
# Fak Bronzewalled Kilrudadil
# Asen Knifeblockade Zasitmedtob
# Lodel Ochreochre Nokimnokim
# Dostob Swordpaged Dastotmorul
# Alud Cloisteredstandard Oddomlorbam
# Gost Arrowcopper Febgusil
# Alath Painttraded Logemnish
# Tilgil Keyroof Edemcilob
# Cos Whippedmine Bomrekavuz
# Metul Daggerfountain Uristzefon
# Bukog Shootglove Keskalreg
# Okag Treatystake Ilralatīs
# As Cobaltfloor Letmosdakost
# Lurak Castletown Rimtaramost
# Denush Glazedmine Fikodavuz
# Nokzam Tinrelic Akrulzaneg
# Stidest Pillargloved Obokreg
# Thol Attictrade Endoknish
# Erong Helmshandle Zonerush
# Shadkik Tombspainted Rakustlogem
# Oril Pillarhall Obokīton
# Berath Craftgate Rigothinod
# As Channeledtreaty Cattenilral
# Lakish Minebronze Avuzkilrud
# Itdun Salveworked Sibrekducim
# Ethbesh Paintcoal Logemrīsen
# Egdoth Machinegilt Stākudoltar
# Lanlar Citypulley Inethbesmar
# Egdoth Machinegilt Stakudoltar
# Suthmam Brassgravel Konosasen
# Mithreb Fisherales Edinkasmko
# Ontak Townpick Amosttekkud
# Tokri Trustcurl Monolluki
# Elot Bridgedwire Sazirnabar
# Berath Giltsmith Oltareshtān
# Vukcas Bellstin Rithakrul
# Nithros Planeentered Ramulneni
# Izeg Diamondpulley Dorenbesmar
# Minran Inkysabre Likotast
# Ilush Glovedroom Regmosus
# Bucsu Sealbakers Quenirhiner
# Fak Tombnet Rakustkib
# Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
# Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
# Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
# Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
# Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudkutsmob
# Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
# Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
# Enir Daggerrock Uristid
# Amkash Sculptedsnuggles Uthraworu

Spoiler: Commanders part 1 and 2 only original language last names (click to show/hide)

# Xenmu Osmosposnun
# Umung Uksosamxu
# Nol Slaxuurar
# Tobog Atuolngo
# Osmze Zolakem
# Xenmu Ngomkutsmob
# Asmuk Zomdang
# Bor Bosastotho
# Xenmu Baxzolak
# Ustrok Uksosuksos
# Ok Nakostrodno
# Nol Arstrukuksos
# Sputo Urarzolak
# Urdu Olngongerxung
# Zoslu Xuspgaszolak
# Asmuk Songstosbub
# Uxzo Stosbubngebzo
# Roz Dangdang
# Ron Snodubgozru
# Urdu Urarogur
# Nolsmu Ngomnako
# Lubu Stothoxuspgas
# Ost Aslotuksos
# Strog Urarngerxung
# Enu Stosbubosta
# Osm Songsnamoz
# Smug Ngomuksos
# Nolsmu Ostauksos
# Ustrok Kutsmobusbu
# Sasne Ukgeurar
# Zak Dangmato
# Nol Zomstasost
# Stol Arstrukbem
# Stol Usbuozud
# Asmuk Dostngospomosp
# Urdu Ukgeazstrog
# Oxsa Omospzom
# Ostad Uraruksos
# Ozse Atuurar
# Enu Zomamxu
# Smug Snodubaslot
# Ustrok Omospmato
# Ulu Amxubosa
# Dab Urarngokang
# Zak Nakoukge
# Ngub Ozudxuspgas
# Ugas Kutsmobsong
# Nolsmu Urarsmunstu
# Bor Aslotngoso
# Urdu Ostaosmosp
# Ucat Cattenbomrek
# Cagith Atīsaban
# Othsin Idsazir
# Fak Kilrudadil
# Asen Zasitmedtob
# Lodel Nokimnokim
# Dostob Dastotmorul
# Alud Oddomlorbam
# Gost Febgusil
# Alath Logemnish
# Tilgil Edemcilob
# Cos Bomrekavuz
# Metul Uristzefon
# Bukog Keskalreg
# Okag Ilralatīs
# As Letmosdakost
# Lurak Rimtaramost
# Denush Fikodavuz
# Nokzam Akrulzaneg
# Stidest Obokreg
# Thol Endoknish
# Erong Zonerush
# Shadkik Rakustlogem
# Oril Obokīton
# Berath Rigothinod
# As Cattenilral
# Lakish Avuzkilrud
# Itdun Sibrekducim
# Ethbesh Logemrīsen
# Egdoth Stākudoltar
# Lanlar Inethbesmar
# Egdoth Stakudoltar
# Suthmam Konosasen
# Mithreb Edinkasmko
# Ontak Amosttekkud
# Tokri Monolluki
# Elot Sazirnabar
# Berath Oltareshtān
# Vukcas Rithakrul
# Nithros Ramulneni
# Izeg Dorenbesmar
# Minran Likotast
# Ilush Regmosus
# Bucsu Quenirhiner
# Fak Rakustkib
# Urdu Ostaosmosp
# Bor Aslotngoso
# Nolsmu Urarsmunstu
# Ugas Kutsmobsong
# Ngub Ozudkutsmob
# Zak Nakoukge
# Lubu Stothoxuspgas
# Enir Uristid
# Amkash Uthraworu

[nogoodnames]

Would using the Masonry Method be easier? Do you want help? I can start making a list with their original names if it helps.

I don't know what that is, and I couldn't see any explanation of how to do it through the link.

Spoiler: Commanders - raw list (click to show/hide)

24  897 the human Xenmu Spideryghoul Osmosposnun
25  888 the human Umung Stealseduce Uksosamxu
26  898 the human Nol Fellmalign Slaxuurar
27  890 the human Tobog Flymonster Atuolngo
28  889 the human Osmze Sinjackal Zolakem
29  889 the human Xenmu Doommenaced Ngomkutsmob
30  899 the human Asmuk Fiendhorror Zomdang
31  899 the human Bor Dungeonbad Bosastotho
32  892 the human Xenmu Nightmaresinful Baxzolak
33  893 the human Ustrok Stolenstolen Uksosuksos
34  900 the human Ok Tormentscorpion Nakostrodno
35  898 the human Nol Demonstolen Arstrukuksos
36  898 the human Sputo Malignedsin Urarzolak
37  893 the human Urdu Monstrouswicked Olngongerxung
38  896 the human Zoslu Malicesinful Xuspgaszolak
39  891 the human Asmuk Scourgehate Songstosbub
40  895 the human Uxzo Hatedread Stosbubngebzo
41  894 the human Roz Horrorhorror Dangdang
42  893 the human Ron Plaguehell Snodubgozru
43  889 the human Urdu Malignedblack Urarogur
44  893 the human Nolsmu Doomtorment Ngomnako
45  892 the human Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
46  895 the human Ost Hexsteal Aslotuksos
47  903 the human Strog Malignedwicked Urarngerxung
48  898 the human Enu Hatewitch Stosbubosta
49  895 the human Osm Scourgehatred Songsnamoz
50  898 the human Smug Doomedstolen Ngomuksos
51  899 the human Nolsmu Witchstolen Ostauksos
52  892 the human Ustrok Menacedevil Kutsmobusbu
53  889 the human Sasne Profanemaligned Ukgeurar
54  898 the human Zak Horrorwraith Dangmato
55  901 the human Nol Fiendtick Zomstasost
56  903 the human Stol Demonwere Arstrukbem
57  897 the human Stol Evilruthless Usbuozud
58  903 the human Asmuk Cruelvile Dostngospomosp
59  896 the human Urdu Profanedevil Ukgeazstrog
60  895 the human Oxsa Vilefiend Omospzom
61  902 the human Ostad Malignsteal Uraruksos
62  902 the human Ozse Flymalign Atuurar
63  895 the human Enu Fiendseduced Zomamxu
64  893 the human Smug Plaguehex Snodubaslot
65  888 the human Ustrok Vilewraith Omospmato
66  902 the human Ulu Seducedungeon Amxubosa
67  903 the human Dab Malignedcurse Urarngokang
68  900 the human Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
69  891 the human Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudxuspgas
70  896 the human Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
71  893 the human Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
72  895 the human Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
73  893 the human Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
74  895 the human Ucat Channeledwhip Cattenbomrek
75  900 the human Cagith Stakeconstruct Atīsaban
76  893 the human Othsin Rocksbridge Idsazir
77  901 the human Fak Bronzewalled Kilrudadil
78  901 the human Asen Knifeblockade Zasitmedtob
79  893 the human Lodel Ochreochre Nokimnokim
80  897 the human Dostob Swordpaged Dastotmorul
81  889 the human Alud Cloisteredstandard Oddomlorbam
82  903 the human Gost Arrowcopper Febgusil
83  891 the human Alath Painttraded Logemnish
84  901 the human Tilgil Keyroof Edemcilob
85  901 the human Cos Whippedmine Bomrekavuz
86  899 the human Metul Daggerfountain Uristzefon
87  899 the human Bukog Shootglove Keskalreg
88  899 the human Okag Treatystake Ilralatīs
89  903 the human As Cobaltfloor Letmosdakost
90  896 the human Lurak Castletown Rimtaramost
91  889 the human Denush Glazedmine Fikodavuz
92  890 the human Nokzam Tinrelic Akrulzaneg
93  905 the human Stidest Pillargloved Obokreg
94  894 the human Thol Attictrade Endoknish
95  895 the human Erong Helmshandle Zonerush
96  901 the human Shadkik Tombspainted Rakustlogem
97  897 the human Oril Pillarhall Obokīton
98  897 the human Berath Craftgate Rigothinod
99  896 the human As Channeledtreaty Cattenilral
100  892 the human Lakish Minebronze Avuzkilrud
101  896 the human Itdun Salveworked Sibrekducim
102  905 the human Ethbesh Paintcoal Logemrīsen
103  899 the human Egdoth Machinegilt Stākudoltar

Spoiler: Commanders v.2 (click to show/hide)

24  Xenmu Spideryghoul Osmosposnun
25  Umung Stealseduce Uksosamxu
26  Nol Fellmalign Slaxuurar
27  Tobog Flymonster Atuolngo
28  Osmze Sinjackal Zolakem
29  Xenmu Doommenaced Ngomkutsmob
30  Asmuk Fiendhorror Zomdang
31  Bor Dungeonbad Bosastotho
32  Xenmu Nightmaresinful Baxzolak
33  Ustrok Stolenstolen Uksosuksos
34  Ok Tormentscorpion Nakostrodno
35  Nol Demonstolen Arstrukuksos
36  Sputo Malignedsin Urarzolak
37  Urdu Monstrouswicked Olngongerxung
38  Zoslu Malicesinful Xuspgaszolak
39  Asmuk Scourgehate Songstosbub
40  Uxzo Hatedread Stosbubngebzo
41  Roz Horrorhorror Dangdang
42  Ron Plaguehell Snodubgozru
43  Urdu Malignedblack Urarogur
44  Nolsmu Doomtorment Ngomnako
45  Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
46  Ost Hexsteal Aslotuksos
47  Strog Malignedwicked Urarngerxung
48  Enu Hatewitch Stosbubosta
49  Osm Scourgehatred Songsnamoz
50  Smug Doomedstolen Ngomuksos
51  Nolsmu Witchstolen Ostauksos
52  Ustrok Menacedevil Kutsmobusbu
53  Sasne Profanemaligned Ukgeurar
54  Zak Horrorwraith Dangmato
55  Nol Fiendtick Zomstasost
56  Stol Demonwere Arstrukbem
57  Stol Evilruthless Usbuozud
58  Asmuk Cruelvile Dostngospomosp
59  Urdu Profanedevil Ukgeazstrog
60  Oxsa Vilefiend Omospzom
61  Ostad Malignsteal Uraruksos
62  Ozse Flymalign Atuurar
63  Enu Fiendseduced Zomamxu
64  Smug Plaguehex Snodubaslot
65  Ustrok Vilewraith Omospmato
66  Ulu Seducedungeon Amxubosa
67  Dab Malignedcurse Urarngokang
68  Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
69  Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudxuspgas
70  Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
71  Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
72  Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
73  Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
74  Ucat Channeledwhip Cattenbomrek
75  Cagith Stakeconstruct Atīsaban
76  Othsin Rocksbridge Idsazir
77  Fak Bronzewalled Kilrudadil
78  Asen Knifeblockade Zasitmedtob
79  Lodel Ochreochre Nokimnokim
80  Dostob Swordpaged Dastotmorul
81  Alud Cloisteredstandard Oddomlorbam
82  Gost Arrowcopper Febgusil
83  Alath Painttraded Logemnish
84  Tilgil Keyroof Edemcilob
85  Cos Whippedmine Bomrekavuz
86  Metul Daggerfountain Uristzefon
87  Bukog Shootglove Keskalreg
88  Okag Treatystake Ilralatīs
89  As Cobaltfloor Letmosdakost
90  Lurak Castletown Rimtaramost
91  Denush Glazedmine Fikodavuz
92  Nokzam Tinrelic Akrulzaneg
93  Stidest Pillargloved Obokreg
94  Thol Attictrade Endoknish
95  Erong Helmshandle Zonerush
96  Shadkik Tombspainted Rakustlogem
97  Oril Pillarhall Obokīton
98  Berath Craftgate Rigothinod
99  As Channeledtreaty Cattenilral
100  Lakish Minebronze Avuzkilrud
101  Itdun Salveworked Sibrekducim
102  Ethbesh Paintcoal Logemrīsen
103  Egdoth Machinegilt Stākudoltar

Spoiler: Commanders v.3 (click to show/hide)

# Xenmu Spideryghoul Osmosposnun
# Umung Stealseduce Uksosamxu
# Nol Fellmalign Slaxuurar
# Tobog Flymonster Atuolngo
# Osmze Sinjackal Zolakem
# Xenmu Doommenaced Ngomkutsmob
# Asmuk Fiendhorror Zomdang
# Bor Dungeonbad Bosastotho
# Xenmu Nightmaresinful Baxzolak
# Ustrok Stolenstolen Uksosuksos
# Ok Tormentscorpion Nakostrodno
# Nol Demonstolen Arstrukuksos
# Sputo Malignedsin Urarzolak
# Urdu Monstrouswicked Olngongerxung
# Zoslu Malicesinful Xuspgaszolak
# Asmuk Scourgehate Songstosbub
# Uxzo Hatedread Stosbubngebzo
# Roz Horrorhorror Dangdang
# Ron Plaguehell Snodubgozru
# Urdu Malignedblack Urarogur
# Nolsmu Doomtorment Ngomnako
# Lubu Badmalice Stothoxuspgas
# Ost Hexsteal Aslotuksos
# Strog Malignedwicked Urarngerxung
# Enu Hatewitch Stosbubosta
# Osm Scourgehatred Songsnamoz
# Smug Doomedstolen Ngomuksos
# Nolsmu Witchstolen Ostauksos
# Ustrok Menacedevil Kutsmobusbu
# Sasne Profanemaligned Ukgeurar
# Zak Horrorwraith Dangmato
# Nol Fiendtick Zomstasost
# Stol Demonwere Arstrukbem
# Stol Evilruthless Usbuozud
# Asmuk Cruelvile Dostngospomosp
# Urdu Profanedevil Ukgeazstrog
# Oxsa Vilefiend Omospzom
# Ostad Malignsteal Uraruksos
# Ozse Flymalign Atuurar
# Enu Fiendseduced Zomamxu
# Smug Plaguehex Snodubaslot
# Ustrok Vilewraith Omospmato
# Ulu Seducedungeon Amxubosa
# Dab Malignedcurse Urarngokang
# Zak Tormentprofane Nakoukge
# Ngub Ruthlessmalice Ozudxuspgas
# Ugas Menacescourge Kutsmobsong
# Nolsmu Malignedlie Urarsmunstu
# Bor Hexvice Aslotngoso
# Urdu Witchspidery Ostaosmosp
# Ucat Channeledwhip Cattenbomrek
# Cagith Stakeconstruct Atīsaban
# Othsin Rocksbridge Idsazir
# Fak Bronzewalled Kilrudadil
# Asen Knifeblockade Zasitmedtob
# Lodel Ochreochre Nokimnokim
# Dostob Swordpaged Dastotmorul
# Alud Cloisteredstandard Oddomlorbam
# Gost Arrowcopper Febgusil
# Alath Painttraded Logemnish
# Tilgil Keyroof Edemcilob
# Cos Whippedmine Bomrekavuz
# Metul Daggerfountain Uristzefon
# Bukog Shootglove Keskalreg
# Okag Treatystake Ilralatīs
# As Cobaltfloor Letmosdakost
# Lurak Castletown Rimtaramost
# Denush Glazedmine Fikodavuz
# Nokzam Tinrelic Akrulzaneg
# Stidest Pillargloved Obokreg
# Thol Attictrade Endoknish
# Erong Helmshandle Zonerush
# Shadkik Tombspainted Rakustlogem
# Oril Pillarhall Obokīton
# Berath Craftgate Rigothinod
# As Channeledtreaty Cattenilral
# Lakish Minebronze Avuzkilrud
# Itdun Salveworked Sibrekducim
# Ethbesh Paintcoal Logemrīsen
# Egdoth Machinegilt Stākudoltar

Spoiler: Commanders v.4 (only original last names) (click to show/hide)

# Xenmu Osmosposnun
# Umung Uksosamxu
# Nol Slaxuurar
# Tobog Atuolngo
# Osmze Zolakem
# Xenmu Ngomkutsmob
# Asmuk Zomdang
# Bor Bosastotho
# Xenmu Baxzolak
# Ustrok Uksosuksos
# Ok Nakostrodno
# Nol Arstrukuksos
# Sputo Urarzolak
# Urdu Olngongerxung
# Zoslu Xuspgaszolak
# Asmuk Songstosbub
# Uxzo Stosbubngebzo
# Roz Dangdang
# Ron Snodubgozru
# Urdu Urarogur
# Nolsmu Ngomnako
# Lubu Stothoxuspgas
# Ost Aslotuksos
# Strog Urarngerxung
# Enu Stosbubosta
# Osm Songsnamoz
# Smug Ngomuksos
# Nolsmu Ostauksos
# Ustrok Kutsmobusbu
# Sasne Ukgeurar
# Zak Dangmato
# Nol Zomstasost
# Stol Arstrukbem
# Stol Usbuozud
# Asmuk Dostngospomosp
# Urdu Ukgeazstrog
# Oxsa Omospzom
# Ostad Uraruksos
# Ozse Atuurar
# Enu Zomamxu
# Smug Snodubaslot
# Ustrok Omospmato
# Ulu Amxubosa
# Dab Urarngokang
# Zak Nakoukge
# Ngub Ozudxuspgas
# Ugas Kutsmobsong
# Nolsmu Urarsmunstu
# Bor Aslotngoso
# Urdu Ostaosmosp
# Ucat Cattenbomrek
# Cagith Atīsaban
# Othsin Idsazir
# Fak Kilrudadil
# Asen Zasitmedtob
# Lodel Nokimnokim
# Dostob Dastotmorul
# Alud Oddomlorbam
# Gost Febgusil
# Alath Logemnish
# Tilgil Edemcilob
# Cos Bomrekavuz
# Metul Uristzefon
# Bukog Keskalreg
# Okag Ilralatīs
# As Letmosdakost
# Lurak Rimtaramost
# Denush Fikodavuz
# Nokzam Akrulzaneg
# Stidest Obokreg
# Thol Endoknish
# Erong Zonerush
# Shadkik Rakustlogem
# Oril Obokīton
# Berath Rigothinod
# As Cattenilral
# Lakish Avuzkilrud
# Itdun Sibrekducim
# Ethbesh Logemrīsen
# Egdoth Stākudoltar

Where are these names coming from? Are they all the commanders of the Realm of Silver? Most of the commanders aren't traveling, I'm looking for the soldiers that are.
Edit: Oh, they are there. Yes, that's helpful.