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Voting closed: January 04, 2021, 02:28:47 am

[ZBridges]

If you can survive losing cohesion and becoming a mass of stuff, and reform a body from that, you should be able to reform a body from that which has two arms.

Phoebe's body is capable of returning to it baseline physical form.  I would recommend searching the thread for the word "baseline."  This is a restriction that seems to have purposefully been placed on Ascended, some sort of limiter.

[Devastator]

(Sure.  And that baseline form has changed, and been changed, by her abilities or the results thereof.  She may indeed not be capable of producing a specific desired change, but it isn't impossible.)

(And I know there was a failed attempt early in the thread to do that with something more minor, when she was a lot less powerful, that failed due to a bad roll.)

(Thirdly, knowing how to form and control limbs could well be useful towards manipulating her ever-growing massive wings of sharp flame she is apt to manifest.  Between that and the uncontrolled fusion reactions, control is simply an element of power, and one that is in my opinion, far more necessary.  A partial success or a limb that is only an imitation of flesh would be better than nothing, and can be improved on.)

[ZBridges]

Her baseline form has not been changed by her abilities specifically or their results.  It has been stated that the change comes from significant emotional experiences that go towards defining her as a person.  It's possible she may able to artificially engineer these moments, but so far all the changes to her baseline have been negative in nature.

Sometimes the rolls are just how bad the failure will be.  The presence of a roll does not confirm any ability.

Yes, it would be useful to be able to grow and control limbs, but as I said, it's impossible due to the restrictions that have been placed on Ascended.  She would require carbon manipulation to be able to achieve that.

Look, if we can regrow the arm, then I would be all for experimenting with that.  I apologize if I'm coming off as hostile.  It's just that everything I've been told suggests that it isn't possible.

[Naturegirl1999]

Her baseline form has not been changed by her abilities specifically or their results.  It has been stated that the change comes from significant emotional experiences that go towards defining her as a person.  It's possible she may able to artificially engineer these moments, but so far all the changes to her baseline have been negative in nature.

Sometimes the rolls are just how bad the failure will be.  The presence of a roll does not confirm any ability.

Yes, it would be useful to be able to grow and control limbs, but as I said, it's impossible due to the restrictions that have been placed on Ascended.  She would require carbon manipulation to be able to achieve that.

Look, if we can regrow the arm, then I would be all for experimenting with that.  It's just that everything I've been told suggests that it isn't possible.

This. The reason the new arm was made is because a new arm couldn’t be grown. The operation must begin

[Devastator]

(Your argument is understandable, even if I don't feel it's accurate, but there's just two points that I feel needs rebuttal.

"Her baseline form has not been changed by her abilities specifically or their results."

The very existance of a 'baseline form' is something created by her abilities.  Such a thing would not exist without those abilities.  What you're saying is that the only currently-known thing that results in the baseline form being changed are significant emotional experiences.. and that does not mean there is no other way, nor does it mean it doesn't operate through her powers

"Yes, it would be useful to be able to grow and control limbs, but as I said, it's impossible due to the restrictions that have been placed on Ascended.  She would require carbon manipulation to be able to achieve that."

Or make an iron limb and use it as a prosthetic.  I see no reason that said manipulation cannot extend towards creating things that feel arbritrarily lifelike, given sufficient time and practice.

The one thing she was said to be lacking in was control.  And almost completely lacking in such.  I suspect that dedicated efforts towards controlling said powers would render such an arbritrary restriction as 'baseline form' meaningless.

Getting this arm isn't a wrong choice, but it's your choice.  Phoebe would be fully capable of developing every ability granted to her by the arm without the arm, be it making her own internal, personal fusion reactor or producing a sufficiently lifelike artificial limb.  Getting this one grafted is a specific choice being made, not a necessity.)

[ZBridges]

I think you're right about the prosthetic.  Phoenix has used metal to act as a mask capable of expressing facial features, and we have temporarily created non-flesh arms.

[19_EgarAlnis]

[25] You know you exist missing an arm, therefore you exist missing an arm. The memories of your pain, your sacrifice for this planet continue to persist in the depths of your mind. The coppery-iron sweetness of your blood, at times, still lingers on your tongue. You've even noticed a distaste of undercooked meat for the simple reason that it brings these memories to the surface. Far from the blessed repression of that moment you enjoy.

You question if your skills could create a simulacra of your arm. You do not know for sure, but considering you can manipulate four universal elements. Such things are possible. Far easier than suffering through the memories of your agony, as well.

You contemplate if Cephie could assist. Organic carbon manipulation is her forte, after all.

Spoiler: Status (click to show/hide)

Pheobe Gainer
Titles:
-Mother 'Pheonix' [Pheonix's Fortress-State, Religion of SEED (McCreary's Planet)]
-Fire-Blooms-Flowers [Outlanders (McCreary's Planet)]
-Patches [Twelve Clans of Old Skarin (McCreary's Planet)]
Local Time: [2015] 1/29/2011


You are missing your left arm.
Laterally, across your chest, is an ugly scar.
Speckling your androgynous face and scattered across your body are wavy chemical burn scars.
Across your face's right cheek is a wide, wavy chemical burn scar.
The rusty red of scarified iron marks your entirety, following arterial lines.

Your hair is hydrogen blue, wavelength 486.1nm, hanging to your shoulders.
 
Cohesion: 110%
You are full
Nanofeast satiation: Three meals (3x10,000kcal)
[WILLPOWER NULLIFIED]

Spoiler: Inventory (click to show/hide)

Neck: Nullification Collar. [Ornate]
Hand: A leather glove.
Feet: Woolen socks(hidden)
Torso:A fitted grey shirt with long, tight sleeves.
Lower Body: New grey semi-formal, military-style pants.

Spoiler: Powers and Skills (click to show/hide)

Max Willpower Linear Distance: [55 meters]
Max Willpower Diameter: [55 meters]
Sustained Powers:

Overload: Trained
Bird of Sol's Reign: Great
Light of Sol: Novice
Conquerer's Aura: Initiated
-Voice of the Queen: Initiated
Inferno : Great
-Hydrogen Embolism: Novice, Horrifying
- Slayer's Blade : Initiated
-- Slayer's Shotgun : Initiated
- Controlled Fusion Reaction : Initiated
- Uncontrolled Fusion Reaction : Initiated
Healing Factor: Qualified
- endurance Boost: Amateur.
-Strength Boost: Initiated.
Energy Manipulation: General Novice.
- Energy Manipulation: Lightning Novice.
Matter Manipulation: Silicon:: Experienced
-Silicon Sunder: Amateur
Matter Manipulation: Iron: Amateur
Matter Manipulation: Chlorine: Amateur
Skill: Charisma: Apprentice
Skill: Attrition Warfare: Apprentice
Skill: Marksmanship: Proficient

Spoiler: Wealth (click to show/hide)

Array

Spoiler: Contracts (click to show/hide)

Cephie Lavoisier's Verbal Oath
One owed Favor: Ashley 'Ashes' Sol
Contract with the Retributionist's Valhol' Pirates, AKA the Twelve Clans of Old Skarin

Spoiler: Ties (click to show/hide)

Grandmother(adopted): Mother Nicole Gainer
--Contactable in Person
--High Influence with Scholars, Crusaders, the Thornton Family

Ruled Nation: Pheonix's Holy Fortress-State
A dominant power on McCreary's Planet, despite its new foundation. Currently pursuing a policy of aggressive reclamation.
-Ruled by a council, headed by yourself.
-Theocratic Dictatorship
-The citizens revere you as their new God.
--Contactable in by Datapad.

Organization: The Children of SEED
Nine individuals, with the minds of automata and the bodies of men and women. Their very presence grates on your nerves.
--Contactable in person, or by radio.

Organization: The Thornton Family
--Contactable through Emma
--High Influence within Steelworks 9 Region
--Subservient to you

Organization: Thornton Warmachines
A complement of hulking Thornton soldiers turned into cybernetically augmented heavy-duty infantry. Equipped with fusion reactor based las-gun assault rifles, Inferno Shotguns, super thick armor, and technicians standing by. They are also equipped with inter and intra-squad radio communicators.
--Lead by William Thornton

Organization: The Crew of Retributionist's Valhol, the Twelve Clans of Old Skarin
A motley collection of nearly three hundred pirates, who have crashlanded in the Outlands some thousand years ago. They are a representative populist enterprise.
--Lead by Captain Murdach Valhol.
--Contactable by Empyreal Communication Relay Network

Organization: The Outlander Khaganate.
A patchwork empire of city-states, nations and kingdoms beyond the Holy Land's borders. The largest and strongest nation on McCreary's planet. Kept in check by fear of the superweapons that the Holyland posses. Currently allied with the Holyland, but the assassination of the previous Khan by Rekhyt will cause issues.
--Lead by Khan Rekhyt Samkrend.

Potential Husband, Threat: Rekhyt Samkrend/Khudal Cityclan
An Outlander Khan. The third child of Khaganate Samkrend. A sharp wit and a sharper blade.
--Contactable in person


Servant, Friend?, Occasional Lover: Cephie Laviosier.
An Ascended under contract to you for the next twelve years. She manipulates carbon and carbon-based structures.
--Contactable in person, or instant message

Mercenary: Murdach Valhol
Captain of the Retributionist's Valhol
Leader of the Twelve Clans of Old Skarin.
--Contactable by Empyreal Communication Relay Network

Ally, Subservient: William Thornton
Leader of the Thornton Family of Businessmen.
--Contactable in person, or by radio.
--High influence within the Thornton Mercenaries
--High influence within The Thornton Family
--Feared within Steelworks 9 Region

Personal Scientist, Ally: Silas Thornton
--High influence within The Thornton Family

Consort, Annoying Oracle: Emma Thornton
--Contactable in person, or by radio.
--High influence within The Thornton Family

Pet, Threat: Mitch, the Barker
A bristly furred, stubby faced hellion of a canine that will possibly mutate in the future. His fur is a rusty red, mixed with brownish gray. His eyes are starting to be tinged with bright, electric blue.
-10/50 Obedience
-?/50 Affection
-5/50 Respect

Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Holdings (click to show/hide)

Pheonix's Fortress-State (McCreary's Planet)
Theocractic Dictactorship
Capital: Fortress City of Stormmont
Population: 4*10^6
Military: One (1) Corps of Active Duty Hover Craft Deployed Crusaders (Baseline, Mark 1, Hardened){Stationed in Stormmont, Fortified}
Three (3) Corps of Active Duty Defense Militias (Baseline, Mark .5){Stationed in SEED Holy Land, Fortified}
One (1) Corps of Active Duty Hover Craft Deployed Crusaders (Baseline, Mark 1, Hardened){Stationed in SEED Holy Land, Fortified}
One (1) Corps Reserve Crusaders (Baseline, Mark 1, Underequipped){Stationed in Stormmont, Fortified}
One (1) Company of Thornton Warmachines (Baseline, Mark ~1, Hardened Veterans){Currently Fighting in Steelworks Number Nine}
Commodities of Note: Nutrient Bar Rations [Food Stuffs] (equilibrium), Hydrogen Fuel Supplies (deficit), Medical Supplies (equilibrium), Consumer Goods (deficit), Electronics (deficit), Steel (equilibrium), Bioplastics (deficit), Chemicals (surplus), Luxury goods (low deficit), Alchoholic Beverages (surplus), Slug Weapons (deficit), Beetle Products (glut)
Quality of life: Food, clean water, lighting, sanitation, universal literacy, universal healthcare, universal higher education, lack of culture, lack of luxury, religious restrictions, and lack of universal rights
Population Morale: Medium
Government Legitimacy: Moderate.
Economy: Non-existant, survival focus
Territories:  SEED Holy Land
Ethnic Groups of Note: Thornton Family Group (Unified, Loyal, Criminal), Hoganson Family Group (Unified, Remnants), Sandsper Family, (Unified, Criminal, ? ? ?), Twenty Minor Families(Unified, Criminal), Western Outlanders (Remnants, ? ? ?), Eastern Outlanders (Twenty Clans, ? ? ?)

[Devastator]

((Next question, of course, is with all this advanced biotechnology if someone could clone or grow a replacement to be grafted on, perhaps from a sample of her own flesh  And yes, I'm sure some of your allies, friends, or coterie members could help with it.

Not being able to fix it through direct healing abilities doesn't mean it can't be fixed, just that a different path is needed.  If you're worried about her forgetting her sacrifice, there's no reason to expect any lack of scarring or any loss of memories.

I would prefer it to involve Phoebe's powers on some level, as learning limb manipulation would be immensely useful for those massive wings of razor flame.  Maybe do a replacement made by her to use while the replacement is being grown.

Or take this one for temporary use while planning the replacement.))

[ZBridges]

What form are you thinking for the prosthetic based on her powers, and should it also use carbon manipulation?

[Devastator]

((Up to you.  Personally, it'd depend on the goal.. do you want one for fighting now?  One for practicing and expanding powers of control?  One that'll directly translate into controlling those wings?

My thoughts are more about materials.  Producing an arm of ice should be possible, by manipulating hydrogen bonds to keep water freezing at a much higher temperature.

More strength could be held by doing the reverse for an arm of rocky material or glass, which can be made by combining silicon with oxygen.  It could then be manipulated to be more flexably bonded, and more similar to carbon instead of forming endless rafts of silicon dioxide.  Or impurities can be used, along with extra heat from fire to make a hot molten glass-like arm that's flexable and strong.

Or just go with a detailed, complicated arm of iron.

Chlorine seems less useful for making solid materials.

There's also the possibility of an arm of fire, to directly try to translate into wing control.

As for what physical shape, dunno.  If you want an arm, though, it should be an arm.  Or arm-like.  Since one made of her powers would be temporary, could do other things with it, depending on what you'd like to practice, if the attempt is successful.  It probably also wouldn't have to be just an arm or exactly like one.. that would probably be beyond her control for now.))

[ZBridges]

I like the ice and glass idea.  The problem with this arm is that it supposedly cannot be removed, so if we do decide to use it, it can't be temporary.  Perhaps we should experiment a bit before going all-in with the Plague arm.

It would also be helpful to get a better idea of the Plague arm's capabilities so that we can make an informed decision.

[Devastator]

((Ice for sure if there wasn't fighting coming up.  Ice just isn't that strong, even if you're superboosting it with hydrogen bonds.  With fighting I suspect just making a clawed arm of one of the solid options, or solid fire like the wings, could be better.

I would also bet the arm is removable, if we had the knowledge to make sure it was installed in the right way.  To be honest, I'm worried more about the fusion engine than just the arm or the extra nanites.. I bet Phoebe could learn to make a way, way better internal fusion engine than one she just finds, with practice, but working off an obsolete one that once belonged to someone else would hinder her in the long term.

The arm is a massive amount of extra power right now, which would be useful... but I'd strongly recommend at least trying to negotiate for more if you do decide to accept it, be it knowledge, power, etcetera.  Biotech skills, how to make replacement limbs, etc.))

[Naturegirl1999]

Why not have the arm incorporate each of the elements we control? Chlorine is acidic and toxic, it can be useful as well

[ZBridges]

((On a side note, what is going on RP-wise?  I'm not sure if I should be in-character or out, and if I am in-character, how should I respond to Devastator?))

The Plague has never seen our chlorine powers, so it may be very susceptible to that.  Could we have some sort of gaseous arm, or one made from other elements which is surrounded by a cloud of chlorine gas?

Time is short.  Start by asking Ava to detail the features of the arm.
Ask her if it has any advantages over an arm created through element manipulation.

[King Zultan]

Why don't we make an arm from metal so we can have an actual iron fist.