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[Bumber]

I don't speak English. I speak... American!

[King Zultan]

But what about the Queens English?

[Frumple]

Well, they say that southern/Appalachian american is closer to OG english than England english currently is, so... it's probably me that speaks that? And a few others, we've had some georgia and carolina folks around.

[Vector]

They say that apparently there is signs that protection post-inoculation/infection could last for years since key anti-body generating cells remain in the marrow

sauce: saw it on the NYT.

[Sirus]

Fingers crossed. I just got my second jab of Moderna, and I'd be perfectly happy if it was also my last jab of the stuff.

[nenjin]

They say that apparently there is signs that protection post-inoculation/infection could last for years since key anti-body generating cells remain in the marrow

sauce: saw it on the NYT.

So how does this jive with earlier statements that the protection afforded by the vaccines may only last 6 months? Or the people that got a covid reinfection after vaccination?

Frankly, I'm starting to lose trust with these kinds of statements. It's starting to feel like everyone wants that "Aha!" press conference about Corona findings.

[Vector]

Right, so first of all we're talking about some significant % of people, not "everyone." So people could not get immunity after vaccination anyhow, or become reinfected. I have had childhood chickenpox and had to get vaccinated as an adult due to not generating antibodies post-infection; similar situation.

Next, "vaccination lasts 6 months. We don't know what happens afterwards" is not incompatible with "it may be that the protection lasts for years."

I agree, there's lots of bullshit out there. Some major drama seems to be going down in the UK because the plan was apparently "just let COVID sweep the population." Folks could be trying to distract from that.

[scriver]

Fingers crossed. I just got my second jab of Moderna, and I'd be perfectly happy if it was also my last jab of the stuff.

The crystal lake, it only laughs
It knows you're just a modern man

They say that apparently there is signs that protection post-inoculation/infection could last for years since key anti-body generating cells remain in the marrow

sauce: saw it on the NYT.

So how does this jive with earlier statements that the protection afforded by the vaccines may only last 6 months? Or the people that got a covid reinfection after vaccination?

Frankly, I'm starting to lose trust with these kinds of statements. It's starting to feel like everyone wants that "Aha!" press conference about Corona findings.

Media is always too quick to report on indications rather than certainties

[None]

Also, it's hard to say that immunity may last for longer than six months when the immunity has not yet lasted six months without some other indicator, like the bone marrow antibodies just mentioned. There's certain rigors to be applied to claims in the health/science fields, yeah?

It might be okay to start feeling optimistic out here in the states the way our immunization and infection rate is going. I'd spitball that we'll probably see some kind of booster shots at some point anyways just to totally really make sure that the antibodies stick, but we might be golden if our protection is long term.

[martinuzz]

President Biden wants a new investigation into the theory that Covid-19 (accidentally) escaped from a Chinese lab.
Facebook has also dropped it's policy of removing posts that claim that.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/biden-wil-toch-onderzoek-naar-chinees-coronalab-theorie~bd9ea381/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/us/politics/biden-coronavirus-origins.html

[None]

Sounds like pandering and international maneuvering. Here's word straight from the horse's mouth if you wanted to read the statement. It's milquetoast as hell and just says "we will do more investigating." "low to moderate confidence" of any particular outcome. Article indicates it's also coming in the wake of a bill to funnel funds into American industries to keep up with Chinese development, which everyone's favorite turtledicked senator is trying to stall out.

Doesn't really sound like new investigation to me.

[Lidku]

It's so damn obvious that it most-likely escaped from China's infamous "Wuhan Institute of Virology". My only anger is that its taken this long to finally, and seriously start pressing or honing onto China. Double the anger I have toward all the so-called "experts" who derided ANY minutiae possibility of this SARS-COV-2 being something accidentally leaked from China's major virology facility. Just bad faith nonsense all around this entire crisis.

I wonder if the reason for not accounting for or not taking the "leak theory" seriously, was maybe in part of self-interest from research institutions and governments around the world; taking knowledge that when or if it was proven the true cause of the SARS-COV-2 outbreak (and not the whole local market eatery theory), that there would be massive outcry to close these activities of unusual and unethical "gain-of-function" research.

Or maybe it was just suppressed not to cause panic, with them starting to take the leak theory avenue seriously, with things "gradually calming" down and vaccines rolling out.

[hector13]

Or maybe it didn’t come from the lab at all?

China aren’t going to let outside sources in to verify any of this either way, as they already stymied it, so this will change nothing.

[Lidku]

Oh please, I'm already tired of the "this SARS-COV-2, coming from China where leaks have happened before regarding Chinese medical/research facilities, definitely has a different origin" bit. Doesn't help at all that the personnel assigned to the facility of interest, Wuhan Institute of Virology; have literally been studying SARS-likes and the mechanisms to increase the proficiency of pathogenicity in cells.

Though you're perfectly right about the second bit. China, predictably, has monkey-wrenched any true possibility at a clear and honest picture of this SAR-COV-2 origin. And even if outside sources confirm a definite origin of somesort, that shines a negative light toward China, they'll predictably as before avow and deny.

I'm also just disgusted at the bipartisan debacle of this whole thing as well. I despised Trump as much as the next guy, but the only reason why the media isn't pushing back at Biden, and now like CLOCKWORK picking up the "lab leak origin theory" as actually legitimate; is due in part for the sheer fact of Trump not being in office. I imagine if theoretically Trump didn't lose his tenure during the last Presidential election, and continued on to his next term, all talk of the "lab leak" avenue would've still been derided completely. But since he isn't in office, now its acceptable to rightfully bring up these questions.

Though don't think I'm accrediting Trump with any virtue at all in this. He was the major cause of the infighting under his Presidential tenure. If he was domestically more competent and not an idiot, I doubt there would've been so much push-back when he was first purporting (and some from his party as well saying as such) the possibility of a leak from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology or other such facilities.

I just wonder how this will all further develop. Oh, and this also strikes out the Republicans lil' "Beijing" Biden ring-arounds they said about him, since he's putting some heat on China with calls for investigations toward it.

[Lord Shonus]

All known methods of altering a virus leave fairly distinct traces. None of these are present in the virus responsible for COVID-19. The chances of it being created or enhanced in a lab are, for all intents and purposes, zero. It is a natural virus.

It is possible that the Wuhan lab was culturing and studying this natural virus for a number of reasons. Such research is extremely common. If this is the case, it is possible that there was a leak. As yet, there is no evidence to support it, and epidemiology of the pandemic is not consistent with a point source.

Biden isn't getting a lot of pushback because he is not using this as a cudgel or evasion. He is literally saying "well, you keep asking about this, so we will look into it."