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[Vector]

I think the risk benefit is clear too, but I also think that the medical establishment has centuries of history of not studying women's bodies and not paying attention to risks they face. If there's enough vaccine in the US, then pausing is fine. It might not be the right time to die on this particular hill but I'm honestly relieved that they're not just saying "who cares."

[TamerVirus]

It's not like the the Pfizer/Moderna mrna vaccines have been free of the odd catastrophic adverse reaction either, but blanket stops haven't been rolled out for either of them. I wonder why?

[Vector]

Is that sarcasm?

[LordBaal]

For a no vaccine regime we are getting here, I would gladly take the chance of the moderna/pfizer. The chances of dying of one in hundreds of thousands is far more atractive that the chances of dying of corona in one in a hundred or two hundred. I bet Venezuela has a bigger death rate but most likely, like almost everything here, we'll never get to know the true magnitude.

[martinuzz]

The risk of thrombosis with these vaccines seems to be 1 per million
The risk of thrombosis with covid is 1 in 5.

TBH I think the risk benefit is clear

No, it's one in 1000000. Still way below the risk of trombosis from 'the pill' for women, but not entirely negligable either.
I am going to ask my doctor for Pfizer or Moderna. My dad got unexplained trombosis age 39, a wound that never healed for the rest of his life. He died of heart attack age 51, when I was 15.

[ChairmanPoo]

The risk of thrombosis with these vaccines seems to be 1 per million
The risk of thrombosis with covid is 1 in 5.

TBH I think the risk benefit is clear

No, it's one in 1.000.000. Still way below the risk of trombosis from 'the pill' for women, but not entirely negligable either.
I am going to ask my doctor for Pfizer or Moderna. My dad got unexplained trombosis age 39, a wound that never healed for the rest of his life. He died of heart attack age 51, when I was 15.

1.000.000 = one million. Your math is weak old man.


By all means get the pfizer vaccine if you can. I mean its a better vaccine than Janssen or Oxford-AZ hands down re covid.
But the risk of thrombosis is pretty negligible and not clearly associated to any risk factors.  Tbh the limiting factors here whether the govt in the NL wants to give you AZ or Janssen and/or whether it has pfizer available

[martinuzz]

Oh I accidentally double-typed a zero, I meant to type 100000. At least that what's my newspapers have been saying for the past week.

[Starver]

Oh I accidentally double-typed a zero, I meant to type 100000.

Ahhh...  But which zero did you double-type?

(IGMC)

[ChairmanPoo]

It depends on the vaccine and the numbers. Janssen so far is on 1 per million numbers. AZ a bit more, though the exact # depends on who you ask. British reported rates are lower, German ones  are higher. *Lethal* thrombosis however is on the lines of 1 per million in either reported numbers. And covid is still way, way worse. Like I said, if you can get pfizer then sure go for it. But if the questiom is AZ now or pfizer in 3 months, its another matter (almost assuredly it isnt, if pfizer makes good its latest humongous promise to the EU... and they have been more compliant than most. But you never know

[martinuzz]

Hahaha 3 months. If only. People in my country, of my age, are expected to, maybe, if no more pauses and semi-temporary temporary unstopped stopped vaccination pauses occur, get a AZ shot somewhere around july - august (at least, that was the plan BEFORE AZ and J&J were short on supply and/or paused). I have no idea if asking for Pfizer or Moderna will make that take even longer. We have both Pfizer and Moderna available, they are just not earmarked for my demoraphic.

[ChairmanPoo]

Pfizer promised to deliver 250 million vaccines between April and June.


That being said: if you're *really* that sidelined for a Pfizer vaccine I'd very much advise not to say no to an Astra Zeneca vaccine. Specially if you're worried about cardiovascular and/or thrombotic risk: covid19 is waaay worse than the AZ vaccine in that regard. Thrombosis is 1 in five.

[andrea]

250 million doses is just 125 million people. Roughly a quarter of the population

Assuming martinuzz is fairly young, his assessment about timing is probably accurate.

Personally I am in the last quarter of population in Italy and don't expect anything for a long time yet. I was aiming for AZ or J&Jin September, but that seems like it won't happen.

[Caz]

Catching Covid is far more dangerous than risks of any vaccine. If you're lucky enough to have one available to you, suck it up and take the damn thing.

[martinuzz]

I'm 42, that's fairly young for vaccination queue purposes 

Are those 250 million doses for the entire EU?

[Frumple]

First moderna shot get. Shot 2 on the 13th, at which point my entire household will have got it.

So far side effects pretty mild. Bit of a headache, some arm pain, maybe a bit tired. Probably could have gotten through work today, but I'll take the boss telling me to just stay home. It's not major but it's definitely noticeable.