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[ChairmanPoo]

Some  religious folks being thick rather. I file it on the same category as nutty christians refusing the vaccine because "it's made of fetuses". Not true, and even if it was, we are in the middle of a fucking pandemic.  I'm fairly sure islamic religious scholars tend to make exceptions to dietary taboos in life or death situations.

Assuming it's even true, that is. This smells of an "I heard that..."

[Akura]

Yup. Earlier today my mom reiterated that she still believes the virus is a chemical weapons test. Of course, she refuses to get the vaccine once it becomes available.


Think she'll get sick once I do get it? Because I intend to at some point.

[Starver]

(Wales was merged into the English crown between the 1284 annexation and the official 1536 'Union' that was basically taking over. The previous royalty of Wales was basically taken out of circulation (though there's always rumours about heirs) with Edward Iand then you had the old "Prince Of Wales" thing done by the various Plantaganets.

Scotland and EnglandAndWales merged with James VI of Scotland assuming the English crown (then being James I of England) in 1603.  The prior 'personal union' with the Lordship/Kingdom of Ireland was quite a bit more messier to integrate (and, later, to deintegrate), some might argue.)


I haven't seen much about who is stirring up the beef/pork thing (only that someone is, and efforts are being made to prove otherwise), but I'm as inclined to believe that it's internal 'elements' (who do or do not believe in the truth, either way, but want to stir things up either way and probably convinced their own close cadre of 'useful idiots' as the first step in multiplying the message) as external agitators.  For one thing, even behind the pseudonimity of social media, it's going to be a less convincing message from 'your average skinhead' than 'the kind of person you might go to mosque/temple/whatever with'.

But until I see actual examples of who such provocative sources actually are, it's a completely open question without any good answers.

[Caz]

Not really a "colony." Britain is a union of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

I can't believe you've done this.

[Ziusudra]

How can any place that has a dragon on their flag not be fictional?

[Iduno]

Cofiwch Dryweryn!

...but, in actual UK Covid news, apparently there's a repeat of the 1857 Indian Rebellion situaton. Some people have apparently been spreading lies that the vaccine contains beef and/or pork product, causing a higher than expected number of refusals to partake amongst the related ethnic groups.

Which is wild, because how even would you make the vaccine out of pork? Or meat?

[wierd]

Growth medium (for animal cells) is made from meat products.


However, vaccine should not be made from such things.  Yeast should be sufficient for most tasks in mRNA synthesis, no?

[martinuzz]

I'm fairly sure islamic religious scholars tend to make exceptions to dietary taboos in life or death situations.

Yes indeed they do. Diabetics are exempt from ramadan fasting, and muslims are allowed to consume alcohol that is part of a medical prescription (since there's quite a few medicines which come in alcohol solution)

[scriver]

Cofiwch Dryweryn!

...but, in actual UK Covid news, apparently there's a repeat of the 1857 Indian Rebellion situaton. Some people have apparently been spreading lies that the vaccine contains beef and/or pork product, causing a higher than expected number of refusals to partake amongst the related ethnic groups.

Which is wild, because how even would you make the vaccine out of pork? Or meat?

Fanatics with a persecution complex have an ability to convince themselves of the strangest things. I am sure you're already familiar with a ton of examples from your American home garden, both regarding vaccines and other things

I'm fairly sure islamic religious scholars tend to make exceptions to dietary taboos in life or death situations.

Yes indeed they do. Diabetics are exempt from ramadan fasting, and muslims are allowed to consume alcohol that is part of a medical prescription (since there's quite a few medicines which come in alcohol solution)

If all religious people gave heed to what the reasonable theologians say as much as they do the extremist ones the world undoubtedly be a much better place.

Also, I'm not sure how correctly I'm recalling this, but I seem to remember that there was (or used to be) already an aversion against vaccinations among Muslims in Africa based on a fairly extremest interpretation of their "do not defile the body" rule?

Edit: Among extremist groups, that is

[martinuzz]

The numbers for those are insignificant compared to the number of (non-extremist, your average Joe) Africans, who refuse the vaccin because they think it's a white hoax to sterilise them.

[feelotraveller]

Don't know how it goes in the rest of the world but in Indonesia the (Sinovac) vaccine was declared halal by their religious authorities a week or so ago.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/indonesia-muslim-body-declares-chinese-vaccine-halal/2103519

Indonesia’s top Muslim body on Friday declared China’s Sinovac vaccine for COVID-19 halal, or permissible under Islam.
...the decision was taken based on a plenary session discussing the ingredients and production processes for the coronavirus vaccine made by the Chinese company, Sinovac Lifescience Co.

[martinuzz]

Some good news, further investigation could not find a significant correlation between the 33 deaths in Norway and vaccination with Moderna. The 33 were all so frail already that it could just have well been anything else that proved them fatal. The investigation could not completely rule out the possibility that for some, it was the last push, but saw no reason to stop using the vaccin for the elderly.
The Norse government has added a mild warning to the prescription that the vaccin might not be safe for the very frail.

[Akura]

Two more cases where I work, one confirmed; one "probable". A sizable group of people are very upset about how management is handling it. On the one hand, management so far seems like it's just putting on a show of trying to uphold health regulations. On the other hand, the very same people who are upset are the same group of people who are largely ignoring the health regulations in the first place.

[Iduno]

The numbers for those are insignificant compared to the number of (non-extremist, your average Joe) Africans, who refuse the vaccin because they think it's a white hoax to sterilise them.

Which, given history, isn't an unreasonable concern. Which company sold sickle cell medicines to kids in Africa that were contaminated with HIV, because they couldn't sell them in the US/Europe?

[Loud Whispers]

Bugger me sideways so many symptomatic people using the london underground