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[ZBridges]

An inactivated vaccine will not cause the disease it is meant to ward off.

[martinuzz]

I know that.  But people can still feel sick for a while from vaccinations if only because of the immune system response.

[Starver]

So Heliconian. But is it Bone Fever or Fat Death?

[ChairmanPoo]

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The doctor “tested positive again because she has remnants of her first virus still floating around in her body,” a hospital spokesperson told The Jerusalem Post on Sunday.
 The doctor suffered from fever, cough and muscle pain when she tested positive for the virus in April, but she recovered and tested negative in May and June.

Starting to look like this virus shares traits with HIV, in that it can hide itself from the immune system (and tests) in the body.  As in, once you got it, you're a carrier for life.

No. If that's  really why this guy has tested positive it's dna remnant shedding from infected tissues as they regenerare. Nothing to do with HIV or viral persistence. This was actually described weeks//months ago, I think I could dig out the links to the papers from my twitter account....

If it's a reinfection its a whole different animal but if reinfection is possible and it's frequent we ought to see a lot of it in the next few weeks as wave #2 hits. So time will tell

[delphonso]

So Heliconian. But is it Bone Fever or Fat Death?

Nice.

[nenjin]

My town just reinstituted a public mask policy. If you're in a business you're supposed to wear a mask, unless you're dining in at a restaurant or bar, in which case Covid doesn't exist and you're free to not wear a mask. *thinking*

Meanwhile our Republican governor is trying to find legal precedent that our mayor can't do this, because Pete Ricketts is a fucking moron.

[misko27]

Gotta confess to being genuinely confused why they're deciding to start banning local authorities with stricter ru li es now. Wasn't part of the conservative case for opening up that they were too broad and didn't need to be applied to every location, only hotspots? Plus, Arizona was the first to do that and they already backed off, not sure why you'd see their retreat and think "Oh shit my time to shine. "

[dragdeler]

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[Starver]

If the mask is white, covers the whole head and is pointy at the top, it isn't a problem!


Seriously: things I'm seeing, aside from the stupid "breathing your own oxygen is dangerous"[1] is "I don't want to be compelled". I think it was Cowboys For Trump who said that they're happy if businesses could individually choose whether or not to require masks for patrons... and then CFT would choose to not use those businesses that do. Didn't seem funny enough to be a parody, so I'm putting it down just to confirmed stupidity/Trumpite-contrarianism.

Now, I've got some sympathy for "not wanting to be compelled". There are things (safety-related, but not in a Covid-sense[2]) that I'm not too keen on being compelling. I can see the similarities, and how someone might think my reticence in this other matter is as foolhardy (including my reasoning of "but by dealing with that big but rare risk, you introduce a slighter but more constant danger" bit).

But I can't help feeling that if there was an EO by Trump to wear a mask (red, MAGA masks; made in China; all profits, after over-generous government subsidies are applied, piped straight into the Campaign to Unelect Non-Trumpists fund) they'd only have problems with those who question its rather dubious legality/application. That is the obvious problem, and not alleged over-reach.


[1] Pretty much as it was said. Apparently it's dangerous to breath oxygen you have just breathed out (sic, sic, and sic again!),  but obviously people with the virus should wear masks (in token nod to reality, before you wonder if it's dangerous to breath in your own viral cloud again). A very special opinion, that one.

[2] Maybe some things I've already said about masks look like I'm in that camp too (without checking, I know what my attitude has been and it all depends on how I voiced it in words how I might look) but I've never been a "I know my real rights, no so-called 'law' is going to make me wear a mask" person, where it conflicts with my self-assessed risk-matrix.

[nenjin]

Some people act like wearing a mask is some sort of complete overreach by the government, when it's literally the least intrusive thing you can do to help keep society safe. If someone has a problem with wearing a mask just to be in stores, they deserve a tattoo on their forehead that just says "Jackass." And also maybe Covid.

I'd love to see the timeline where Trump signs an EO to wear masks though. That would be fascinating.

[dragdeler]

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[ChairmanPoo]

The whole CO2 buildup thing was clearly bullshit made on the spot to counter the obviousness of O2 levels not going down with a mask.

Since in order to test for CO2 you have to do invasive procedures, it is far less likely that someone will do a video rebuttal.


Btw: the respiratory system is far better at shedding CO2 than intaking oxygen. If your oxygen levels are OK chances are your CO2 levels will be, too

[Eschar]

You'd notice quickly too, you wouldn't unknowingly asphyxiate: the brain doesn't start the "oh no you need to breathe" feeling from lack of oxygen, it starts from too much CO2. If masks did that it'd be obvious.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I think there's sort of a mass hysteria feedback loop here. Wearing even a cloth mask can be a little claustrophobic if you aren't used to it, and the people making these complaints tend to be hyped up on anti-mask stuff before they ever put one on, so they just confirmation bias themselves into freaking out and then go on to tell others that those damn Obama masks tried to crawl down their throat and strangle them!

That's the process conservatives have in place of the scientific method, shouting out statements and getting "yeah!" shouted back across the dinner table. The libs just sulk silently when you do that and as such must be enemies of the state.

[dragdeler]

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