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[McTraveller]

Here's another lesson: 

Don't take a generalization like a characteristic associated with a generation personally.

EDIT:  I think (Hope?) most of here talk in general philosophical stances - not aimed at any one person.  Maybe I need to try harder to make that clear?  I know I have a problem with tone...

[Iduno]

Have you ever thought that the stereotypes of Texans all being dumb redneck hicks are unfair? Because I've lived here ~7 years, and they seem accurate to me.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1261529343274233856

[Max™]

Just to clarify: I wasn't talking about kicking individuals in the nuts, I was talking about kicking the framework of late stage capitalism and our american prosperity gospel bullshit infected version of it in the nuts.

Spoiler: As for IP, if you were curious, you could have just asked. (click to show/hide)

I'm gonna be 40 this 9/11 you know

Listen sugar, it's literally been 30 years since I started studying and learning about relativity and black holes and spacetime and all sorts of other stuff

Been following the subject for literally 30 years now, I've paid attention and studied and watched an entire base climate period worth of the discussion and research and so forth

Lol.

Got a copy of Black Holes and Warped Spacetime for christmas when I was literally 6 because that shit is fascinating and my encyclopedias were out of date, and remember discussion in various articles about this IPCC thing being created to study the climate when I was 8, though I wasn't able to track down the FAR for a couple years after it was published and it was much easier to digest years later when the internet access at libraries started to be a thing.

Wanna laugh at the idea that I used to go through old chemistry and medical textbooks trying to figure out what they were about next? My point is that I didn't just pop up and pick a bandwagon yesterday, doesn't mean you should believe me, you shouldn't believe anything if you can avoid it, just means I dislike others having a mistaken impression of my motivations. Take it as you will, or add this to some weird collection of quotes for some later date if it makes you happy?

[McTraveller]

...asking for a better tomorrow instead of leveling for the same broken tomorrow and lies of a more successful future. But just go back to work, put your back into it, that'll stop the impending depression.

Maybe that's the 'risking one's own neck' thing you were referring to before, but risking coronavirus to pay the rent or risking eviction to keep people safer, clearly each has a risk and a cost.

Yes, that's close to what I was getting at - don't merely ask someone else to fix it (and complain when it's not fixed in the desired way) - be a part of the work to fix it.  I guess maybe I got too long winded and lost that point.  And yes, there are risks/costs associated with that.

[McTraveller]

Ok I think I understand better what you mean now.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Can't say I wholly agree with it; my observation is this "economic hunger strike" is not really impacting the ultra-wealthy at all... so I don't see how it is going to effect the changes advocated.  The economic hunger strike is going to put more people under the thumb of the corps, more desperate to take any job that is offered to pay the bills, than it is going to hurt someone with even just a mere $1M cash in the bank. $1M is 20 years of $50k a year spending - the ultra wealthy literally can just ride things out.

[ChairmanPoo]

Its not an economic hunger strike FFS. Its a quarantine because if people go to work during a pandemic peak lots of people are going to die. And if you go back without protection you'll get another peak.
 

[ggamer]

Back to work since yesterday. I'd rather not, but I've only got so much unemployment left, and this could open me up for some opportunities, mainly bc I've saved up most of my unemployment (that I didn't spend on quarantine aids).

I live in Georgia (famous for it's spineless governor Kemp), and shit is going to get reeeeally sketchy around here with the state "opening up." I'm trying to move closer to Atlanta at the moment - I live in bumfuck Egypt - so I can have an easier time finding work without getting too far from my current job. I can't really stay where I'm at, both because I'm awfully fucking tired of my parents, and because my mom is high risk and I don't want to end up infecting her bc I'm working in a restaraunt.

Anyway, how's everybody holding up?

[Telgin]

Work from home order keeps getting pushed back for me, and thankfully I'm in a position where working from home 100% of the time is feasible, since I'm a web developer.  I live in SC, which joined the bandwagon of opening everything back up, but the company I work for is headquartered in California, so the company as a whole has been more cautious.  I'm thankful for that.

[martinuzz]

Starting june 1st, facemask will be mandatory in public transit...
However...
Only non-medical grade facemasks are allowed.
If you are caught wearing a medical grade facemask, you will be fined.
Medical grade facemasks are exclusively reserved for healthcare staff.

[Jimmy]

I'm getting a real Game of Thrones vibe from the way the US is handling the pandemic.

[Starver]

Only non-medical grade facemasks are allowed.
If you are caught wearing a medical grade facemask, you will be fined.
Medical grade facemasks are exclusively reserved for healthcare staff.

I've been trying to get that POV onto a few phone-ins/letters pages, myself.

As well as the discarded latex gloves blowing around the supermarket carparks/elsewhere, when you see something that might be an N95, discarded just as casually after probably half an hour's use (and self-protection, probabl, rather 5han hedging bets to protect others) it makes me wonder.

I've been experimenting with (not actually compulsary, locally, but vaguely advised in some circumstances) face-coverings myself[1], but most seem to fog my glasses up. Which doesn't mean they aren't effective (for the duration), but makes my choice lean towards being situationally aware rather than (as others do) wearing a bit of random cloth then barging through everyone else's extended personal space with nothing but oblivion in mind.


[1] For the type you use a T-shirt for, plus extra close-woven material, I've got an old SOPHOS Antivirus one from a turn-of-the-millenium computer security trade show, and I can make the breast-logo a prominent feature when folded just right...

[Frumple]

They say putting a strip of tissue/toilet paper (something absorbent, basically) at the top of your whatever can prevent the fogging, for what it's worth. I still haven't actually tried it, but it's on the list of things to try whenever my workplace opens back up to the public.

But yeah, I'm now doing the mask thing when I go into stores, and will be at work when we open our doors back up. Most of it isn't even the protection, it's the look, for lack of a better word. One of the important things to be doing if you're in any sort of official capacity (i.e. working at a gov't ran job) -- or just in general if you want to be doing at least some minor contribution to making things less bad -- is to be walking the walk when it comes to behavior. If you or the organization you're working for are telling people -- look, wear masks folks -- then you need to be wearing a mask if you're ever visible to the general public. If it's distancing, you need to be seen distancing. If it's not doing non-essential shit, you need to not be showing up at the hairdresser or gym.

If it's just a good fucking idea to be doing those things and it's not any sort of specific policy for something you're working with -- do those things. Even if it's not specifically vital for you in particular, because it helps send and spread the message, yes, this shit is important, we should be doing it.

And that fucking matters. Because if enough yous aren't doing it, people start going, "oh, it's not that bad" and things get worse. Top level presentation matters the most on that front (one of the myriad reasons the stateside administration can go fuck itself right now, as a general thing), for sure, but every little bit helps normalize better response and that especially makes a difference if your political administration et al has largely fucking abandoned proper response

[ChairmanPoo]

There's still a FFP shortage, I think. Or they're not so cocksure there wont be one as they used to be.

[scriver]

I think there's still a shortage. Even when the hospitals get theirs there's a line of occupations who needs it ahead of everypeople in my mind.

I'll give everypeople in risk groups a pass.

[McTraveller]

I'm only gonna laugh a little bit, nervously, when we have massive surges in all the "usual" illnesses, because nobody's been out there socializing and has been over-sanitizing.

I've actually caught myself specifically pausing to consider not telling my kids to wash their hands after playing outside, because I want to keep their systems at least somewhat exposed to things that exercise their immune systems.

Or is this nonsense and there is no evidence for "you can get immunodeficiency if you aren't exposed to enough pathogens"?