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[Iduno]

In Pakistan, the government has decided that despite rising numbers of infected and dead, they will have to end the lockdown.
The poor workers in Pakistan cannot survive any longer without income.
If they don't lift the lockdown, more people will die of starvation than of corona.

Yeah, a lot of "end the lockdown" policies seem to be aimed at distracting people from "maybe fix the shitty way we treat people, and the complete lack of safety nets for the poor."

[ChairmanPoo]

In Pakistan, the government has decided that despite rising numbers of infected and dead, they will have to end the lockdown.
The poor workers in Pakistan cannot survive any longer without income.
If they don't lift the lockdown, more people will die of starvation than of corona.

Yeah, a lot of "end the lockdown" policies seem to be aimed at distracting people from "maybe fix the shitty way we treat people, and the complete lack of safety nets for the poor."

You ninjaed me. I was going to say that these claims should be taken with a pinch of salt. I find it hard to believe that Pakistan cannot afford to get funding for emergency rations for all the population when they can afford high tech weaponry for their pissing matches with India

[Doomblade187]

In Pakistan, the government has decided that despite rising numbers of infected and dead, they will have to end the lockdown.
The poor workers in Pakistan cannot survive any longer without income.
If they don't lift the lockdown, more people will die of starvation than of corona.

Yeah, a lot of "end the lockdown" policies seem to be aimed at distracting people from "maybe fix the shitty way we treat people, and the complete lack of safety nets for the poor."

You ninjaed me. I was going to say that these claims should be taken with a pinch of salt. I find it hard to believe that Pakistan cannot afford to get funding for emergency rations for all the population when they can afford high tech weaponry for their pissing matches with India

I would at least assume that they have significant military rations on hand to distribute. Them again, the military runs the country last time I checked, so that may have something to do with not wanting to cut into funding.

[Kagus]

I'm curious about something... With the talk of "potential re-infection" and beating COVID-19 once possibly not granting protection against a second round...

Wouldn't that be kind of groundbreaking? Is there a precedent for viral infections where the antibodies... Stop working/being produced? Supposedly this is just the one strain of coronavirus, and that it's not mutating like all fuck to manage a second infection within such a short timeframe, so it's not like cold or flu viruses bypassing the previous protection by being just different enough.

So what gives? If the body managed to fight off the original infection, surely it learned to produce targeted antibodies? And if so, those antibodies should theoretically be able to fight it off again.


I'm aware that the facts surrounding COVID-19 re-infection aren't necessarily pointing towards compromised defense, but I'm curious if there's another example of that happening with a virus.

[TD1]

Related to effusive Italians and culture, etc.

My brother is a policeman. Hard for me to admit, considering where I'm from, but I'm guessing none of you will try to kill me for it 

He says that the groupings which need to be disbanded are either the young, immigrants, or most often young immigrants. He also says that it's not pursued as effectively by the police as it should be, because they're afraid of being called racist.

Hardly an academic paper, and I would imagine largely fuelled by the observations of other policemen. But it struck me as interesting.

[ChairmanPoo]

Italian immigrants, in particular?

Mostly because if you're trying to persuade me that people in Ireland, regardless of borderside, politics, or religion orientation, are less effusive than Italians or Spaniards... well I've been on both sides of the border. With people of all kinds of politics and religious denominations 🤣.


Seriously now, I found people in both chunks of  Ireland far more effusive than in either England or Northern Spain. About par with people in Castile and Naples at the very least.

[TamerVirus]

Wouldn't that be kind of groundbreaking? Is there a precedent for viral infections where the antibodies... Stop working/being produced?

So what gives? If the body managed to fight off the original infection, surely it learned to produce targeted antibodies? And if so, those antibodies should theoretically be able to fight it off again.

There's a mechanism called Antibody-dependant enhancement where the presence of antibodies make any subsequent infection worse.

This has been seen in Dengue fever which has been known to become Dengue Hemmoragic Fever in a number of cases

This enhancement mechanism was observed in SARS 1 vaccination tests in the past

[TD1]

Italian immigrants, in particular?

Mostly because if you're trying to persuade me that people in Ireland, regardless of borderside, politics, or religion orientation, are less effusive than Italians or Spaniards... well I've been on both sides of the border. With people of all kinds of politics and religious denominations 🤣.


Seriously now, I found people in both chunks of  Ireland far more effusive than in either England or Northern Spain. About par with people in Castile and Naples at the very least.

There aren't a huge number of Italians in Northern Ireland. Portuguese, Polish, African.
And no, I would not say we are particularly effusive. I honestly don't know what gave you that impression, though I'd be interested?

[ChairmanPoo]

And no, I would not say we are particularly effusive. I honestly don't know what gave you that impression, though I'd be interested?

[TD1]

Maybe when they're drunk? But I imagine that's a common denominator. Some women hug, some people shake hands, but Naples-level or greater? Phew-ee. I really want to know where you hang 

[scriver]

I had to look effusive up

"extravagantly demonstrative"

I'm still not entirely sure

[nenjin]

A decent synonym is "passionate."

[ChairmanPoo]

Maybe it's my accent. I'm told I haf a secsy acsent 🤔

[martinuzz]

I'm curious about something... With the talk of "potential re-infection" and beating COVID-19 once possibly not granting protection against a second round...

Wouldn't that be kind of groundbreaking? Is there a precedent for viral infections where the antibodies... Stop working/being produced? Supposedly this is just the one strain of coronavirus, and that it's not mutating like all fuck to manage a second infection within such a short timeframe, so it's not like cold or flu viruses bypassing the previous protection by being just different enough.

The common cold. Flu mutates so antibodies stop working.
Common cold keeps coming back not because of mutation but because the body forgets.
Supposedly this has to do with the virus not entering the bloodstream but being restricted to the outer boundaries of the body (like for example the lungs)

So it's nothing new or groundbreaking.
What would be more scary is if this virus would share a trait with HIV, in that it can go dormant in the body and you never completely get rid of it.  So far there's no signs it does that luckily.

[NJW2000]

Common cold keeps coming back not because of mutation but because the body forgets.
Supposedly this has to do with the virus not entering the bloodstream but being restricted to the outer boundaries of the body (like for example the lungs)

So what you're saying is... we should inject it into ourselves?