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[Greiger]

Remember way back when I was talking about my friend's dad who was very ill?  Turns out he managed to soldier on in the rehab center's care, not recovering, and never leaving his bed, needing oxygen so not allowed to go home, but not getting any worse either.

Apparently almost a week ago my friend's dad was sent to the ICU and put on a ventilator with confirmed coronavirus.  They were not informed until the (EDIT:had the date wrong seems he just didn't tell me about it for awhile)14th and were told he was resting before that whenever they tried to contact him.  Considering as before, no-one was allowed in the building but staff , so it had to be staff that infected him, he's pretty mad at them.  Again.

So yes that's now 2 people I know with covid.

[Reelya]

The crazy in America is reaching fever pitch.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/coronavirus-backlash-us-citizens-protest-on-streets-in-zombie-hordes/news-story/ccd6d61a96e13f3c0488b2cc09779964

Democratic states suffering near-riots over lockdowns, even in states with record levels of virus outbreak, where the lockdowns are absolutely necessary, and probably should have been done earlier and in larger force. Also:

Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick earlier called on Americans to sacrifice their lives, telling Fox News that grandparents across the country should be proud to die from the coronavirus if it meant the younger generations could get back to work.

Well MetalSlimeHunt there's the end-of-capitalism uprising you said would happen when the system hits a derail. Naturally, it's more like a fascist one than a socialist one.

[scriver]

You know I've mentioned how I'm worried for certain countries... well, I've been following the NY Times Coronavirus map and tracker and see some worrying trends. Russia has surpassed Brazil's (official!) totals, which is concerning as Brazil is the larger country and they previously had a very similar case count per capita. Brazil's case count has raised somewhat more slowly than Russia, but it's deaths have almost doubled from a week ago it seems like, which is really bad because the ratio of deaths-to-official-cases was really very high, indicating a vastly higher case count than is reported.

On the topic of vastly higher case counts than reported is Sweden. Sweden has 12,500 cases, but 1333 deaths. Their ratio of cases to deaths is actually much worse than Brazil's right now, and Brazil was though to have several times the official caseload by scientists there. (The ratio of cases to deaths in Brazil is 6.32%, the ratio in Sweden is 10.63%). That's... mind-blowingly bad actually. Implies either the Swedish Healthcare system is 40% worse than Brazil's (which I don't find likely), that the Swedes have some sort of super-strain which is straight up 250% as deadly as the regular virus (which I really really hope is not the case), or they're dramatically undercounting their totals.

You have to look at the #of tests in each country. Specially per capita. IIRC Sweden is low on that list. No superstrain, just superspread and infradetection. Which is happening everywhere tbh but the less you test the worse it looks and the worse you control it.

Mind you, while Chin and Russia are in the champion's league of releasing incomplete covid19 information, I think every country is doing fairly terrible at reporting the nunbers of infected, dead, tests, and the criteria for each. So take everything with a pinch of salt

Sweden is also particularly bad because a high amount of out positive cases are from elderly (we failed to keep the disease out of our elder homes). Which means a high percentage of those cases are going to lead to death.

[TamerVirus]

Capitalism death cult! We sacrifice at the alter of NASDAQ! ALL HAIL CAPITAL GAINS.

I guess this is what happens when people survive paycheck to paycheck work for companies that survive paycheck to paycheck that are in buildings owned by landlords who survive paycheck to paycheck. Millions of people are out of work and circling the drain of poverty on top of the folk already in poverty

That paycheck protection program? Roughly $350 billion dollars in forgivable loans to small businesses and independent contractors and the like? All gone already. Due to how the bill was written, large chunks of the pot went to big chain restaurants because they don’t have less than 500 employees per location. Meanwhile all those mom and pop businesses are fucked until more funding is approved

[hector13]

aaaaay

2 months in and my employer has said all the employees need PPE (provided by them) to work.

aaaaay

You might want to check if this is legal in your local state/country.

For example, in Australia, if an employer requires an employee to wear PPE during their duties, they're obligated to provide the PPE or pay the cost of it.

I'd suggest a written request along the lines of "Dear management, due to shortages of PPE caused by coronavirus, my local supplier has advised they have no stock of these products available. In order to comply with your new employment requirements, please advise on your preferred location to source reliable supply of PPE. Alternatively, please supply these products directly to our location for staff use in order to meet these requirements."

Under our local laws, this would be enough to launch an unfair dismissal claim against an employer should they create a condition of employment but fail to adequately provide the means to meet that condition.

But again, this is relevant only to my local situation, so it's best you investigate your employee rights where you work.

I live in Wisconsin, which had a Republican governor until 2018 (who was so proud of his union busting he bragged about it when he ran for president), and has a Republican controlled legislature though I’m not sure for how long that’s been there, as well as a conservative majority (recently reduced) on its highest court.

I don’t think the phrase “employment rights” enters a sentence unless the phrase “too socialist” or some such is also present.

[Bumber]

Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick earlier called on Americans to sacrifice their lives, telling Fox News that grandparents across the country should be proud to die from the coronavirus if it meant the younger generations could get back to work.

That's... not quite what he said. This article contains most of the relevant quotes.

"And you know, Tucker, no one reached out to me and said, 'As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?' " Patrick said. "And if that's the exchange, I'm all in."

Patrick said that he will "do everything I can to live" and that if he gets sick, he will seek medical help.

"Let's get back to living," Patrick said. "Let's be smart about it. And those of us who are 70-plus, we'll take care of ourselves, but don't sacrifice the country. … Our biggest gift we give to our country and our children and our grandchildren is the legacy of our country, and right now, that is at risk. … I think we can get back to work."

[hector13]

Yeah, he’s selling patriotism and market worship in return for lives. He seems to think it’s only the elderly at risk, too, which shows how completely out of touch he is.

We don’t know if covid-19 is something you get complete immunity to after you get it, or whether it’s going to be a seasonal or even more frequent occurrence. The latter would be devastating if we let up restrictions too soon.

The economy’s fucked either way. Multitudes getting sick and having to be hospitalized (or die!) in order to entitle the lucky people who only get mild symptoms to continue maintaining their living standards is kind of disgusting.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick earlier called on Americans to sacrifice their lives, telling Fox News that grandparents across the country should be proud to die from the coronavirus if it meant the younger generations could get back to work.

Well MetalSlimeHunt there's the end-of-capitalism uprising you said would happen when the system hits a derail. Naturally, it's more like a fascist one than a socialist one.

Nah, that's not fascism or even a disruption. That's just another chapter in people asserting how housebroken they are for capital.

I mean, America will definitely choose fascism when the time comes, but this is no more death cult than normal market conditions.

[Starver]

Remember: if you do riot and cause civil disruption, keep your Antisocial Distancing!

[Max™]

Broke: ranting online about COVID-19 being a lie.
Joke: protesting in public with a sign about COVID-19 being a lie
Woke: doing the above WHILE WEARING A MASK

We're up to 735k known cases, 38k known deaths, but only added half a million tests to the 3 million performed earlier this week which suggests a lot of obvious positives are still being tested, as ideally we'd see tests performed going up without a similarly sized bump in positive results.

Even a ratio of 1 positive per 5 tests means we're missing way too many asymptomatic carriers, but hey at least we can enjoy more surges as people protest lockdowns or listen to dumbfucks when told they should totally go back to work soon.

[sluissa]

I've noticed the people who were saying "It's not even as deadly as the flu" a few weeks ago have dropped that particular line, but still aren't willing to stop complaining about it.

[Iduno]

I've noticed the people who were saying "It's not even as deadly as the flu" a few weeks ago have dropped that particular line, but still aren't willing to stop complaining about it.

Most of us here figured out we were wrong months ago. Although we usually went with "deadlier flu" instead of less-deadly.

[delphonso]

I've noticed the people who were saying "It's not even as deadly as the flu" a few weeks ago have dropped that particular line, but still aren't willing to stop complaining about it.

I've been watching a guy on facebook post several times a day about the flu compared to covid19. He has shifted from "if social distancing worked, why have so many people died of the flu this year (numbers from somewhere)" all the way to "stay inside and stay safe, everyone! Viruses are nothing to joke about. Covid19 is catching up to the flu and might surpass it"

[sluissa]

I've noticed the people who were saying "It's not even as deadly as the flu" a few weeks ago have dropped that particular line, but still aren't willing to stop complaining about it.

Most of us here figured out we were wrong months ago. Although we usually went with "deadlier flu" instead of less-deadly.

I wasn't really referring to anyone here.

[TamerVirus]

I was mocked on here for worrying about this back in late February and lo and behold I found myself living on the periphery of the worst affected area of the worst affected state in the worst affected county of the COVID crisis 

So ‘worry more about the flu’ wasn’t exactly that long ago

The quarantine days are blending together but honestly not much time has passed since the vast majority of people went into lockdown