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[Frumple]

Florida is absolutely going out of its way to not fucking test, yes. So far as I'm aware we still don't have a state-level relaxation on guidelines for who to test, guidelines that would pointedly fucking miss asymptomatic, presymptomatic, and mildly symptomatic infected. It's basically an utter pain in the ass to even get recommended for testing unless you're approaching the point it's time to stick your ass in a hospital.

There's apparently supply issues in regards to testing availability, too, for what it's worth, but florida is fucking up basically everything it can fuck up on top of it. If there's a hell, desantis'll burn in it for the clusterfuck he's helmed in regards to the crow plague.

[Bumber]

Hmm... Maybe Tom Cotton was right.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

time to manufacture some consent boys

no job? no problem

get in the van and invade iran sonny

[Frumple]

cause if there's anything this reenactment of the kansas flu needs it's another outbreak in the trenches lol

Wait, shit, are they actually looking like they're going to try that?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It'd be a hell of a time to, considering that major US Navy assets are crippled by shipborne infections right now. The past few weeks have lasted 10,000 years, but back during the period where Iran was getting hit hard and the US wasn't there was some regime change rhetoric flitting around, yeah.

[martinuzz]

IC doctors are pleading with the government to lift restrictions on saying goodbye to dying family members in hospitals.
Doctors are mentally breaking down from heartbreak and crying in the hallways.
As one doctor put it "I've worked on IC for twenty years, and people dying, I can handle that. But I can't take much more of having to tell families they can't say goodbye or sit at their beloved ones' death beds".
We can't afford our doctors breaking down and getting stuck at home with antidepressives and diazepams, there's already a shortage of IC specialists.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I really don't know what I'd do with that one. to be honest. You'll spread the infection if you let them - no precaution seems to be enough to ensure safe contact, let alone in a hospital.

It's atrocious to bar people, but let's be real, the hospitals are probably already doing worse things just to get through this. I'm not even sure if that's an argument for or against letting families in.

[martinuzz]

Luckily, hospitals aren't doing worse things yet here. Two weeks ago, it looked like we were not going to have enough ICU capacity and horrible choices would need to be made, but then the ICU admission rate started flattining, and for the past 5 or so days, every day there's more people leaving the ICU than coming in, so capacitiy is freeing up.

[wierd]

Hospital staff at least theoretically understand the risks, and take those risks to help patients survive.

Family members... probably do not have the same level of understanding, and voluntary action going on.  You are talking people who are grief stricken and probably not able to make rational choices to begin with being put into a highly contagious environment, then expecting them to rigidly self-quarantine for 14 days without any further human contact, in order to make that ONE tragedy not be dozens or hundreds more.

It's shit, but that's how dirty harsh realities are.  I don't have a solution to this. There probably isn't one-- but letting people into the isolation wards is not in the interests of public health.

[martinuzz]

Meanwhile in Ecuador, decomposing corpses are piling up in the streets.
Morgues are unable to keep up with the dead.
For the past weeks, people have had to store their loved ones wrapped in plastic in their garages and sheds.
Cats and dogs are starting to eat corpses.
People are resorting to pouring gasoline over their loved ones and cremating them at home.
The streets smell of death.

[Max™]

*cursor over somebody*
*view personality and thoughts*
"...was forced to endure the decay of a loved one recently."

Well fuck, who dropped a big chunk of df into the reality codebase?

[Zangi]

I reckon hospitals don’t have the free space to set-up divider rooms, to at least let grief stricken family look on from behind a window?  Or is that just worse?

[Starver]

I reckon that was part of it - Americans shop for a week or two at a time, usually. Perhaps that place was encouraging similar behavior by requiring trolleys. Hell, my mother had enough food in her house to last her a month, before even going shopping.

Eh, it depends a lot on specifics. Folks without much storage space (small apartment stuff) tend to shop more. Folks with a fair amount tend to shop less, since they, y'know, have places to put things. Where I'm at (and the baseline I try to meet for my household regardless), we usually have enough squirrelled away we could go without grocery shopping for probably a month, maybe two if we stretched things. It wouldn't be exactly enjoyable (fresh or comfort food is most of our regular monthly/bi-monthly shopping, with replenishing staples less common), but we wouldn't starve.

[...]

My situation: I built up a 'Brexit' cache, over a number of months of one or two extra tins or dried packets (driven mostly by multibuy deals that I liked the look of) per shop, well outside of any panic-buy season. But I'm not eating that (much) when it isn't absolutely "sirens in the streets" lockdown.  Plus I might still need it later when the delayed fall off the Brexit cliff happens, now with added COVID complication.  I also still have some Y2K stuff, of longer-lasting supplies I'm still happy to leave untouched.

i didn't need bread. I already got a couple of loafs the previous week, that lasts long enough - there's no shortages, just restricted ranges, and a couple of weeks prior I even 'helped out' by buying a reduced-to-clear loaf proving that the initial shelf-clearing panic had totally ended (ditto, many many easter eggs were piled up On Sale, yesterday, one of the places the two face-masked women were obliviously blocking my progress). But I 'needed' some other shorter-term foodstuffs like cheese (which always would last longer than I would let it, actually, but it tends to be eaten). Annoyingly, the pre-cut blocks of cheese I tend to go for (good quality but good price) that are labelled and arranged in strengths 1 to 5 were totally absent in the 4 and 5 ranges, so I necessarily forwent the really nice stuff (not counting the separate artisan-level products, at a price range I reserve for special purchases) and 'slummed it' with strength 3 Red Leicester (perfectly servicable, letting me be creative with herbs/etc in dishes and sandwiches it gets used in). Next time I'll see if there's a nice Somerset Brie, though, or similar. Doesn't last as long (by duration of eatability, but far more so by the rate at which I eat it anyway) but I haven't had that for a while.

Anyway, add in some other things (veggie stuff, etc) what might have been a shop for 'essentials' under a tenner, to prevent my overloading on rice and pasta and chilli con carne and whatavyer, became a £23+change shop. But that included a couple of magazines from the news-stand (probably entirely replicating various online resources, covering the subjects, but I find it's nice to encourage these publishers) which were my biggest unnecessary 'splurge' and yet didn't add so much to the bag-load.

I totally ignored the alcohol aisles (I already have some nice whiskies at home, but bought years ago and, at my rate of consumption, they'll still last years more) but I had picked up a couple of bottles of fruit-tinted zero sugar cola (to satisfy my somewhat less sophisticated section of my pallette - I love the taste of aspartame in the morning!), each by far the heaviest single item by weight (2 litres, so ~2 kg, twice) and were probably what made the plastic bag handle dig awkwardly into my hand, and might have been regretted most.  Next time (next week, situation allowing) I might tote my rucksack to the shop, but I'm conscious of the image I'd portray even if I'm actually not targetting 'in demand' stuff.


If necessary, I could just barricade the door, make my excuses to the world and hunker down. And as long as the utilities kept running (I've contingency water, perhaps being a bit more stuffed with electricity and gas if they fail than if the taps dry up), but it is totally precipitous to not shop. Until it isn't, and I can only hope to recognise if/when that changes ahead of the curve. If I don't, I shall just have to hope some future scavanger with great need will benefit from pawing through the rubble that once was my own little patch of civilisation and strike lucky at just the right time.

((Note to self: Get some First Aid Kits. A 100% one, if possible, but several 10%ers anyway, to dot around the place. Maybe some body armour, a radiation suit and/or a chainsaw too. And, of course, a lot of hidden easter-eggs. I wonder which bit of wall I can easiest make slide down?))

[Quarque]

Well fuck, who dropped a big chunk of df into the reality codebase?

This whole disease is incredibly dwarfy. Any moment now, I'm expecting people in quarantine to throw tantrums and start a loyalty cascade. Setting the population cap to 7 billion was a bad idea, I guess.

[TD1]

Personally I think covid has given people a bit of perspective on what a true catastrophe is. I doubt people will be able to get as worked up about how much brexit is the literal apocalypse when they remember dead bodies decomposing in homes with nobody wanting to enter for fear of catching deadly disease.

Well fuck, who dropped a big chunk of df into the reality codebase?

This whole disease is incredibly dwarfy. Any moment now, I'm expecting people in quarantine to throw tantrums and start a loyalty cascade. Setting the population cap to 7 billion was a bad idea, I guess.

I wonder if any religion holds in a 'starting seven.' Christianity's 'starting two' just seems like such a slow start, and God used the exile function way too soon in the game. I mean, I'm sure it was fun to pick them up on adventure mode, but honestly. He should have waited for them to do some decent mining and crafting first.