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[Bumber]

Btw: recent case-control studies with HCQ point to it providing some symptom relief (if at all) but little else, with similar times to seroconversion and ICU admission rates

Is that with or without azithromycin and zinc? I heard that HCQ by itself is expected to be mostly useful as a prophylactic.

[Starver]

Btw: recent case-control studies with HCQ point to it providing some symptom relief (if at all) but little else, with similar times to seroconversion and ICU admission rates

Which may or may not be a good thing.

"Not feeling so bad" might help someone clinically on the edge have the confidence to strive to pull through, or give the treatment team confidence that helps.

OTOH, some symptoms are part of the body's defence mechansims. Some of those are more like desperate flailing at the threat (could even be counterproductive, 'cos diseases be crazy-prepared like that[1]) but others are doing good things.

I doubt HCQ is discriminatory about this, and it'll be a balance. Also a balance against whatever else it does to the body; conditions that might be less serious under continuous hospital care but might complicate the life of self-medicating walking wounded already reluctant to seek to visit an actual doctor.


[1] It's evolutionary success, really. Like the organism that found it encouraged its mouse-hosts to no longer be as afraid of its subsequent cat-hosts, through randomly tweaking some specific response mechanism. Or, if you prefer it simple, absolutely every disease that provokes sneezing (the point at which pollen also works out how to hijack this system, I'm officially a slave to plants...)

[Starver]

(Post + time + Post ≠ Doublepost)

As far as I can tell, from what I just heard of the UK Daily Briefing, either side of an incoming phone-call, they're effectively going to roll out a "Thanks for Turning Up" medal badge. Which sounds really insincere to me.  If it goes on long enough I could imagine it being essentially a Pip, Squeak And Wilfred set...

I wish the politicians would step back. Let the professionals say things (it could still be things approved by the politicos, I expect) and stay away from the glibb stuff, please.

(Edited for tyops.)

[Iduno]

They're bragging that the prisons in my county haven't had any positive tests for corvid yet. They are conveniently leaving out how many people have tested negative. I'm going to guess that if it's a non-zero number, I can easily count the number of tests on my fingers.

[Frumple]

Yeah, our local papers were pretty cheerful about how we (and some neighboring counties) didn't have positive cases for a while. Conveniently left out were the testing rates -- at the time one of the involved could literally have their total testing numbers counted on your fingers. Others would leave you toes to spare.

Needless to say once testing continued for a bit, they found positives

[McTraveller]

Lockdowns are starting to show their mental health toll - 5 weeks in, and we are now having protests where protesters are not social distancing, demanding to go back to work...

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Protesters-block-traffic-around-Michigan-Capitol-in-Lansing-569660231.html

This is the stuff that really scares me, moreso than the virus itself.

[Dunamisdeos]

My ass moved to the country the week before this all started.

There is one confirmed case in my actual home area. Luckily my family works in/near the city so I can get my proper dose of general covid worry.

[Frumple]

Eh, the confirmed case count means precisely fuck and all. Almost nowhere on the planet is testing to the degree that number is even fucking remotely reliable right now. If there's a confirmed case in your actual home area the number of infected is probably pretty significant, especially given the incident rates of a- and pre-symptomatic carriers.

[Dunamisdeos]

Well, it's basically farmland for miles around. So like, 10 cases would be catastrophic in my immediate area.

I can go outside and stuff without seeing anyone at all, maybe like one neighbor kid on a bike every so often.

[martinuzz]

Amongst the crew of the french aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, which returned to port last week because of two dozen or so crew members had corona like symptoms, now 700 marines have tested positive for the virus.

[Starver]

I wouldn't even know what my test would reveal (and I'm not prime material for testing). I don't think I am, but I'd probably put my chance of testing negative as 50%±50%.

I feel Ok (briskly walked a couple of miles to the supermarket[1], walked less briskly back due to my bulging bag-for-life (*fnar fnar*) and a small hill leading back up to my own door) but that actually doesn't mean much, we know.Maybe lucky for me, but by extension could be a problem for someone else.


[1] With stupidly half-hearted one-way system indicated on aisles, but not enforced. I obeyed them, but many others didn't. Or blocked the aisle (e.g. trolley[2] perpendicular as they stare at a section of shelving, deep in consideration, and I could hardly have squeezed past even without trying to give lip-service to the 2m of space) regardless of what direction they went in.

Spoiler: More footnote-1 grumbling... (click to show/hide)

Kept on meeting the same two women (wearing face-masks) who roved up and down the (down and up!) aisles side-by-side with trolley use seemingly inspired by phalanx tactics. Annoying.

And everything I wanted was on an aisle whose 'direction' was towards the spine between the two halves of 'rib' aisles. Not even a good mix of out-and-back, so loads more walking round than in 'normal' times.  The two last things I wanted were in aisles 10 and 12 (IIRC) so I went down 11 (with people incorrectly coming the other way) round the end abutting the row of till-conveyors to come back most of 10 (people I'd seen previously moving towards me), grabbed the item and out to go down 11 again and round the other shelf-end to come back up most of 12 to the last item (both times, against the wrongly-flowing traffic) then round and down 11 again because the queue for the tills was set up as down 14 (last aisle, the one lined with booze) but requiring one first goes up (spineward, lined with mixer-drinks) 13 due to the barrier set across the spine-end to both of these.

The queue itself was only up to the 13/14 spine-end double corner (with most people spacing at trolley-length-plus-a-trolley-length-of-space) and it moved quickly enough. Naturally enough, when I was almost at the point to be called up to an available till (passing aisles 13 through 10 to get to the one ready to receive me), the next person looking to join the 14-but-first-13 queue barged up 14 instead (all the way up to the spine end, it looked like, so no time saved).

And so that is probably why I became COVIDised, if I have done, despite having done everything I can to avoid people on the way to/from the shop (and avoided a couple of smaller, but nearer, stores - or the one I know is still sanely managed but is three+ miles in the opposite direction).  The road to hell being paved with... Slade?

[2] Shopping trolleys (US: carts) being compulsary for... reasons..? I only actually needed slightly over a handful of perishables, but a set of meticulously wiped (handles only?) trolleys were forced upon everyone who passed the half-way point of the barrier-deliniated queue outside. So I then of course got another hand-and-a-half worth of non-perishables because I could to make the visit worthwhile and last longer to delay the next shopping trip out.

[delphonso]

I reckon that was part of it - Americans shop for a week or two at a time, usually. Perhaps that place was encouraging similar behavior by requiring trolleys. Hell, my mother had enough food in her house to last her a month, before even going shopping.

[Frumple]

Eh, it depends a lot on specifics. Folks without much storage space (small apartment stuff) tend to shop more. Folks with a fair amount tend to shop less, since they, y'know, have places to put things. Where I'm at (and the baseline I try to meet for my household regardless), we usually have enough squirrelled away we could go without grocery shopping for probably a month, maybe two if we stretched things. It wouldn't be exactly enjoyable (fresh or comfort food is most of our regular monthly/bi-monthly shopping, with replenishing staples less common), but we wouldn't starve.

This is mostly just due to habitual hurricane prep -- sometimes shit breaks down for weeks because nature just decked your ass like an angry fist of god, so you have weeks of emergency supplies -- but it applies to other issues, too, heh. We've never really had to lean on the habit, but it is a massive relief to not really have to worry about food at any given time, even if shit's gone pretty south. Things get particularly unpleasant when you're worrying about when your next meal is going to be. Much less so if it's just when your next good one is.

[Greiger]

I am now in the group of people that knows someone with a confirmed case of coronavirus.  EDIT:They are bedridden and on a ventilator.  Someone who worked closely with that person has a cough and reports shortness of breath at times, but apparently is not worthy of a test.

So yea, either tests being available is complete bullshit or Florida is trying to keep it's numbers down by not issuing tests to those that have reason to be tested.

[Iduno]

It sounds like my good coworker has recovered, and will be returning to work.